Q'uo: The harvest began in 1987

[Namaste]

So will it be smooth sailing after 2012, with regard to catalyst?

Well I would hope so! How depressing must it feel for one to think they have the "rest of their lives" to keep getting pummeled with this intense catalyst.

You've been doing it for XX,000 thousand years, a few more won't hurt ;¬)

Q'uo mentions that we'll be gifted more and more opportunities to polarise in the direction we have chosen. That can only be a good thing if you're genuinely interested in serving others. If you're fed up here, think about what that entails. Who are you thinking of? Food for thought :¬)

However, for discussion purposes, I would offer a challenge to the notion you put forth that one can be "STO" toward Gaia or the animals, and "STS" toward other humans. Are not Gaia, the animals, and humans, one? I would propose that those who are focused on "saving the earth" or "saving the animals" to the exclusion of service to their fellow humans might not be as "STO" as they style themselves to be. Kind of looks like sticking one's head in the sand to me. I see it as a distraction from the truth- that one needs to save oneself. No more, no less.

I know people who hate people and love animals. I know people who love people and hate animals. I know people who love both, and I know people who love neither. I know people who love a few people, and hate many more. I know people who love some animals, and hate others.

There are no limits, the possibilities are infinite.

Yes, we are all one, but that's taking it down too many fractal levels; the point is that people predominantly love conditionally. They serve others (choose love) in some contexts, and themselves (fear) in others.

There is a chance that, post 2012, someone could go from 50% STO to 51% STO, and hence make the harvest. That is indeed why they have incarnated; a seniority of vibration.

You appear to be overlooking all the years and decades these people have already experienced in order to make that transition. Again, look out at the world and everything that has been going on. If THAT hasn't been enough to get people over the edge, I can't imagine what WOULD BE. I suppose we will find out next year...

Not at all, I always take that into consideration. Hence my reference to 'seniority vibration' incarnations at this time. That, in itself, proves that what one does in this incarnation can be the make or break regarding their harvesting.

Here is the benefit: for all the others who would like to get started on their next set of lessons, but are being held back by the spiritual inertia generated by the masses caught in the "sinkhole of indifference".

People will incarnate here for specific lessons. It may include dealign with said inertia.

Might I suggest another perspective? How selfish is it for one to expect the rest of humanity to wait around forever while one hems and haws about doing their spiritual work? How is that STO? How can one possibly polarize with that kind of attitude?

I'm not sure why you've taken experience as a collective and pulled it into one person's incarnation. This is a 2+2=5 statement to me. Wanting to serve others does not mean one would choose prolonging the suffering just so they could.

One could also offer the notion that it's selfish to want it to be peaceful post 2012, as that's removing the opportunity of choice/catalyst to entities here which may benefit from it. 3D Earth is 3D Earth. It offers (hard) lessons and choices. That's the point, and that's why many incarnate here :¬)

Remember, there are infinite spheres to incarnate on. If souls want an easy trip, they can choose it. If they want a hard one, like this place, they can choose it.

Remember, this was all slated to have been said and done by 1998. My apologies if this sounds "arrogant" or "uncompassionate" but we have already been granted an extra 15 years of "overtime". If somebody hasn't taken advantage of all that extra catalyst by now, I say: too sad, too bad. Better luck next time.

Sounds selfish to me ;¬)

Yes, I think you have summed it up in a nutshell. While it is not at all necessary for us to agree, one of us must have the wrong idea? As we are both willing to accept the possibility of our own mistaken-ness, perhaps further discourse would prove fruitful!

No, not at all. We each decide what we wish. If you look back over our conversations, in most cases, I'm replying to your questions :¬)

I have offered a few further thoughts on this... if you don't mind, I would like to kind of turn your statement on its head:

I can't see any benefit, or have read any quotes to back it up, to having unpolarized (or negatively polarized) entities incarnated on earth post 2012.

In short:

1. The opportunity to experience catalyst; to choose/balance/polarise, and hence:
2. A greater window of opportunity for people to awaken and graduate

The second point is why we're here. It's the point of being a Wanderer - to help others make the harvest. Wanting to cut the time short in a 'too bad' fashion seems quite backwards/STS to me.

GV - I think we'll remain here as long as we can be of service - to help others make the grade. Is that not why we came here, after all? :¬)