Q'uo: The harvest began in 1987

[Namaste]

Lee - only those who have penetrated intelligent infinity; the true adept. They can choose to leave, consciously, during an incarnation. It's not the same as the global harvest, as that occurs to all, regardless of process, after death.

TN - one never learns if they are not open to challenging themselves and their beliefs. To assume you know all the answers and to block your ears to others is a sign of ignorance/arrogance. Re-quoting multiple separated quotes takes considerable time, which I don't have, so I'll answer each in separate paragraphs with a reference to your question/statement.

4D wanderers returning to 3D: I would assume they experience those perspectives concurrently. That is the nature of the Creator, after all.

My notions being turned upside down: I thought that the harvest would 'open' to all at the winter solstice. It turns out that the date is nothing more than a marker for Earths completed development of the 4D sphere that nests above this one. Importantly, nothing changes in a day-to-day manner, we have our entire lives to polarise, balance and service others. The only change is the understanding of a concept.

Session 17. Indeed. Re-reading this with my new harvest hat on, it's quite clear. This quote in particular:

Those who remain in fourth density upon this plane will be of the so-called positive orientation.

Many, including myself, read 'upon this plane' as the current 'this'; 3D. The actual context is that of the 4D sphere/plane that is being created due to the rotating/spiralling of the solar system into a new region of space/time. Hence it's creation is akin to that of a cosmic clock.

Yes. The "inconveniences" are a result of denied negative energies by humanity. Thus it is a symptom of a difficult harvest. If people would take responsibility and "own" their negativity, the Earth would not have to absorb and release it in her own fashion. Sadly, we have a great many "love n' lighters" who, though quite well-meaning, are adding to the inconveniences by their unwillingness to accept the negativity which is part and parcel of life on this sphere. (At least, up until now.) Might I also suggest a similar effect from those who would deny that there really are, in fact, people out there who seek to utterly control and dominate the rest of humanity, and who have been planning to commit mass murder of those who are not willing to "tow the line". Fortunately, it would appear that none of these diabolical plans will come to full fruition... though we are not out of the woods quite yet.

Agree entirely.

I think where people are getting caught up is in the idea that 3D earth becomes 4D earth. They are two different spheres, though interconnected as Q'uo describes in numerous sessions. The concept of nested densities is also discussed at length in that 2010 Homecoming PDF to which you referred.

Might I suggest you think about it this way- a mother's body transforms (read that literally: trans-form) itself into the child's body during gestation. This does not mean the mother "becomes" the child, or that they have the same body, once the birthing process is complete. That would be kind of a silly notion, don't you think?

This was my point for quote a few posts which we had a misunderstanding about. I have always maintained that 3D will not evolve into 4D; they are distinct, separate spheres. One passes between them through the doorway of death; walking the steps of light. Hence my repetitive mentioning that the ascension discussion is not 'gradual vs. instant', rather, 'when you die' :¬)

Is there anything that, in your mind, would preclude the rather sudden departure of a large swath of humanity from this plane? Other than perhaps you just don't particularly like that idea?

I have said on multiple occasions on this forum that this is an entirely possible and valid occurrence. If it happens, we get to walk the steps of light sooner. Nothing to fear there :¬)

There is more than one way to die. I think there is also a great deal of confusion here because many do not see the possibility of conscious death, i.e. simply laying the body down and choosing to depart. No cosmic law against that, so far as I am aware.

I think you have to be of a certain level of adeptness to do so. Otherwise the higher self will "catalyst slap" you with regards to being here to learn and offer service.

"This is correct" refers to the second sentence of the query. Not the first. If you look very closely, you will see the first sentence is not a question, it is simply a statement by the Questioner. That's why Ra didn't respond to that part.

Agreed.

I am under the impression that the "original" 4D bodies (the "first-born" of 4D) grow out of the 3D bodies. Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there. This is not the same thing as saying the 3D body becomes the 4D body.

Agreed. The bipedal vehicle is the choice of the logos, it makes sense that the 'transition' from 3D to 4D body, just like the love/light frequencies, are 'infinitely similar'.

The larger point is, I have not found it once necessary to "take what resonates and leave the rest". It all resonates. In my view, that disclaimer which Q'uo gives before all their sessions is for their benefit, not ours.

I have always found that odd, personally, as if something in the material doesn't resonate, I am inclined to move away for the material in it's entirety. Like yourself, I find it all resonates, the difference is whether one is open to view the self with truthful eyes to see if it applies to them.

An interesting notion that 'use your discernment' is for their own benefit. From Ra's words about making grand mistakes with their previous encounters and teachings, there is an element of logic to it.

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With regards to reading the material with keen eyes, and dropping one's own assumptions, I can only agree entirely. I have often mentioned that the Ra Material was influenced by Don's questioning, and hence is highly limited (and of course paradoxically comprehensive) with regards to specific subjects.

Thanks for the 70's quotes. There is one clear inconsistency within them.

B (76): "What has been spoken of as the harvest has already begun, and will continue for several of your years, perhaps as many as would make a quarter century."

Q'uo: "the harvest started in 1987, in what you call the harmonic convergence"

Hmmmm :¬)