(11-07-2011, 03:16 PM)unity100 Wrote: however, people in usa, react the same to BOTH of these sentences, whereas in turkey the first is something nonoffensive and even polite, if used in polite context, and the latter, is the one to which people react to as americans react to any proposition that says they are in the wrong.
So I'm assuming that in Turkey you don't around telling people "you dont know s***"
The American polite version is just longer. The Japanese polite version is even longer than the US version.
Basically the American version is something like:
"I don't see things that way, and if it's okay with you I'd like to show you a conflicting idea that I believe could benefit you. That idea is <blah blah blah>"
In Japan it would be something like:
"I am humbly honoured to speak with you, and glad to hear your views. Are you acquainted with the alternative explanation that <blah blah blah>"
If you are engaging in impolite behaviour on purpose it's not a surprise that you offend people. It isn't necessarily linked to their ideas being threatened, because it could easily just be that by not conforming to the standards of politeness you are insulting them.
I mean based on your statement that it's considered polite to say "you are wrong" in Turkish, it sounds like you just aren't respecting the politeness norms of the English audience you're speaking to on this forum.
By the way, as an English speaker, it is my opinion that writing in lower case with poor grammar and sentence construction communicates to English audiences that you don't value their time. This is often forgiven when the speaker is obviously ESL, but that doesn't make it easy.
If you just use proper capitalization you would instantly seem more respectful. Replacing the "you are wrong" statements with something more polite would also go a long way.
At the end of the day you're right that people identified with their ideas are threatened by conflicting ideas. Can't help with that. But by failing to use the polite forms, your message is not just literally "you are wrong" your message also includes the statement "and I have no respect for you, you are inferior to me, and you aren't valuable enough to be treated politely."
We live in a hierarchical society here in the Anglosphere. If you communicate to someone that they are lower on the hierarchy than you and they should obey you for that reason they are not going to feel good. This is just reality and has nothing to do with them identifying with their views. Based on your most recent posts I've concluded that your issue on this forum is that you know the polite forms of English and choose not to use them, offending all the Anglo cultured people with your rudeness. That makes a lot sense. Adding the natural threat they perceive when being corrected just makes it worse.
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