10-19-2009, 01:09 PM
Hello all!
Phoenix, Fairyfarmgirl, Ali Quadir, Ubergud, 3D Sunset, Kylissa, Peregrine, βαθμιαίος, Ayadew & Turtle: Thank you for your participation thus far! It's great to hear the comments and dialog from all of you. Some comments from me on select comments from previous posts:
Thank you for expressing it this way... it is helpful for me. That a path must exist if even just one entity wishes to traverse that path is what makes it work in my mind. Yet as many as 10% of 3rd density entities choose that road. It's almost unfathomable to me, yet I am not above admitting that I may well be extremely naive about the creation and workings of the creator.
I have to agree with you. Our media in the west is especially prone to focus on the negative people / actiosn in our society. Especially now that a lot of local news station and newspapers are being made obsolete by the internet, they have to find ways of making people pay attention to them. If it bleeds it leads, and if it's gushing blood so much the better. It's easy to get a dismal perspective on our world by watching the news.
Your post was like poetry to me. Thank you!
Thanks for digging up all those relevant quotes, 3D! It's helped me put STS in general in to more of a context, as to why it exists certainly. Though I am still somewhat baffled by the extent to which an entity could negatively polarize, and the sheer number of 3rd density people (10%!) that choose such a disharmonious path. Though I am learning to accept that it happens, if for nothing else because through free will any path must be opened to anyone who wishes to walk it.
Yet, the fact that there is a discrepency of 40% between STS and STO folk (10% STS 90% STO), should we deduce that there is a preferred path, that being STO? It seems to imply that the STS path is one of folly, as I'm sure most of us here agree that it is, even if we claim to say that all paths are equal in the eyes of the infinite one. Well, I'm sure they are, but certainly we of the STO path find the STS path a bit misguided if not silly. Then again, I'm sure the STS folk feel that STO is equally nonsensical. Yet, the numbers seem to speak the truth of this, 10% vs. 90%. Just putting the meat of this idea out of the chopping block for everyone to hack at.
As an aside, can you image the extent of evil that must exist out there? I caught this from this Saturday's Carla chat:
If Genghis Khan, in all of his tyanny was only able to graduate in to a world where his highest aspiration was a shipping clerk... Using this as a method of judging the extent of his negativity in relation to the whole, there must be some extremely, extremely, extremely negative entities out there who might rule that world, that from our perspective would be no different from Satan. (could this be where religions unconsciously adopted it's heaven and hell themes?) My only point in mentioning this is to again underscore what I perceive to be such complete misguidedness in the way of spirituality as to almost completely overwhelm my understanding. But again... such as it is or such as it may be, I am not a wise elder on a council but a mere hitchhiker on the path who in truth, does not understand yet seeks regardless.
I just wanted to chime in and add my support to your statement here. As much as I post here at Bring4th and really try to dive deeply in to the LOO material, I also do not find complete resonance in all of the teachings and also seek out other material when I am compelled to. I really feel that ALL elements of any material should be mentally, emotionally and spiritually thought about and meditated on in order to discern a complete truth for ones self. Else would we be much differernt than an organized religion, were we to not challenge that that did not resonate? I think not.
Yes, but, others with vastly different life experiences here on Earth would say exactly the opposite of what you have stated here and feel it to be of uttermost truth. For myself I tend to agree with you- but it's important to bear in mind that these are merely our perspectives and may not even speak for the majority.
It's interesting to hear it stated this way, mathmatically speaking you are completely correct! It would seem to make no sense at all, at first glance. I think if you place your beginning point in between 5 and 51% it makes more sense. That is to say, perhaps your average, spiritually un-enlightened or sleeping entity who is not overly STO or STS in his actions rests somewhere close to 23% STO. Making conscious efforts to go higher or lower than that number is difficult, and becomes more difficult the further you move away from 23%. In that sense it would be equally hard regardless of what you do. (and I am assuming this is only true of thrird density). Just some speculation. Cool train of thought you brought up!
I found this thought intriguing when I read it yesterday! Do you mean to say that you do not believe there are STS and STO paths, or that you just carry on without consciously thinking about either path but still believe that they exist? I would be up for plumbing the topic more. Certainly it is in line with a Newtonian outlook (that is, a Michael Newton outlook) in that all entities are essentially good and that evil that we observe on Earth is just veil related confusion and feelings of separation.
Loving the dialog everyone. Sorry for the 'wall of text' but I only have time to post once every few days. Cheers!
Phoenix, Fairyfarmgirl, Ali Quadir, Ubergud, 3D Sunset, Kylissa, Peregrine, βαθμιαίος, Ayadew & Turtle: Thank you for your participation thus far! It's great to hear the comments and dialog from all of you. Some comments from me on select comments from previous posts:
Phoenix Wrote:Take it down to the microcosm. In any moment we get to choose good or evil. Life or death. And if an entity is given free will in order to make this choice. The death must exist. Otherwise we would be automatons. However, in order for the death choice to actually really exist, it has to be taken to an extreme. It can't just stop real early. And in an infinite creator, huge extremes exist and need to be expressed. Thus the path is created. There is a destination that some entities wish to go and so there are entites which want to go there.
Thank you for expressing it this way... it is helpful for me. That a path must exist if even just one entity wishes to traverse that path is what makes it work in my mind. Yet as many as 10% of 3rd density entities choose that road. It's almost unfathomable to me, yet I am not above admitting that I may well be extremely naive about the creation and workings of the creator.
fairyfarmgirl Wrote:Why STS gets so must attention is that it is a minority wrecking havoc on large populations of people, swaths of land and the Mother Earth... this is why they get so much attention-- when in reality they respresent a small portion of humanity.
I have to agree with you. Our media in the west is especially prone to focus on the negative people / actiosn in our society. Especially now that a lot of local news station and newspapers are being made obsolete by the internet, they have to find ways of making people pay attention to them. If it bleeds it leads, and if it's gushing blood so much the better. It's easy to get a dismal perspective on our world by watching the news.
ubergud Wrote:A single fragment with this knowledge (or what it can hold from it's perspective, ever-incomplete until unity), might choose to use its knowledge (that it cannot be separated, and may as well 'enjoy the ride' as 'master') for its own 'benefit' ... which is also a unique experience ... treasured equally (unconditionally) by the omnipotent being (upon unity ... which is always as time is an illusion) ...
Your post was like poetry to me. Thank you!
3D Sunset Wrote:This quote really brings home the importance then of free will -> veil -> evil -> choice in terms of creating much more varied and interesting experiences which we will eventually distill and bring back to the Infinite creator for his bemusement and enjoyment.
Thanks for digging up all those relevant quotes, 3D! It's helped me put STS in general in to more of a context, as to why it exists certainly. Though I am still somewhat baffled by the extent to which an entity could negatively polarize, and the sheer number of 3rd density people (10%!) that choose such a disharmonious path. Though I am learning to accept that it happens, if for nothing else because through free will any path must be opened to anyone who wishes to walk it.
Yet, the fact that there is a discrepency of 40% between STS and STO folk (10% STS 90% STO), should we deduce that there is a preferred path, that being STO? It seems to imply that the STS path is one of folly, as I'm sure most of us here agree that it is, even if we claim to say that all paths are equal in the eyes of the infinite one. Well, I'm sure they are, but certainly we of the STO path find the STS path a bit misguided if not silly. Then again, I'm sure the STS folk feel that STO is equally nonsensical. Yet, the numbers seem to speak the truth of this, 10% vs. 90%. Just putting the meat of this idea out of the chopping block for everyone to hack at.
As an aside, can you image the extent of evil that must exist out there? I caught this from this Saturday's Carla chat:
Carla Wrote:14:54:16 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› I remember when Don asked Ra what Genghis Khan was doing now. It turned out he was a shipping clerk. Kinda scary to think that the man who wiped out like 25% of China's peons at one point was in company with dudes badder than he was! More
14:54:50 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› In a way, Genghis probably thought he was in heaven! Because he had a chance now to learn STS from real masters of that game. More
14:55:16 ‹Bring4th_CarlaLisbeth› Do you have a follow-up to that, Brimann?
If Genghis Khan, in all of his tyanny was only able to graduate in to a world where his highest aspiration was a shipping clerk... Using this as a method of judging the extent of his negativity in relation to the whole, there must be some extremely, extremely, extremely negative entities out there who might rule that world, that from our perspective would be no different from Satan. (could this be where religions unconsciously adopted it's heaven and hell themes?) My only point in mentioning this is to again underscore what I perceive to be such complete misguidedness in the way of spirituality as to almost completely overwhelm my understanding. But again... such as it is or such as it may be, I am not a wise elder on a council but a mere hitchhiker on the path who in truth, does not understand yet seeks regardless.
ayadew Wrote:Gasp, I am openly criticizing Ra! Smile For me, this is the greatest disservice Ra has done to me.. and perhaps the only one. But with that disservice, I was very much encouraged to seek out other sources of channeled material. And that has been most meaningful, so I am grateful for this disservice which thus becomes a service (!).
I just wanted to chime in and add my support to your statement here. As much as I post here at Bring4th and really try to dive deeply in to the LOO material, I also do not find complete resonance in all of the teachings and also seek out other material when I am compelled to. I really feel that ALL elements of any material should be mentally, emotionally and spiritually thought about and meditated on in order to discern a complete truth for ones self. Else would we be much differernt than an organized religion, were we to not challenge that that did not resonate? I think not.
Ali Quadir Wrote:Not a party favor, a right of birth. How hard is it for a caterpillar to turn into a butterfly? That's basically been my position for the past few years, maybe the whole trip from the edge of 2d to the edge of 4d can be considered hard and difficult. But I don't really feel very taxed.
I oppose the notion that being good is hard. It's not. Causality tends to put more on your path of what you put on it. So that means if you deliver a service to others. Then you're going to be commended for it, thanked, encouraged, helped, and when you need the service there will be someone there to take care of it for you. If you choose to commit a service to self. Then others are going to dislike you for it, they will accuse you, oppose you and when you need a service they'll only push you under.
Yes, but, others with vastly different life experiences here on Earth would say exactly the opposite of what you have stated here and feel it to be of uttermost truth. For myself I tend to agree with you- but it's important to bear in mind that these are merely our perspectives and may not even speak for the majority.
Ali Quadir Wrote:I get the feeling that the STS crowd is considered a different crows because Ra states "To attain fifty-one percent dedication to the welfare of other-selves is as difficult as attaining a grade of five percent dedication to otherselves" Which seems to contradict itself. Unless the missing hyphen means anything... It's like saying running 20 kilometers per hour is as hard as running 5. Unless he means that 5% is as hard for the STS guys as 51% is to STO oriented guys.
It's interesting to hear it stated this way, mathmatically speaking you are completely correct! It would seem to make no sense at all, at first glance. I think if you place your beginning point in between 5 and 51% it makes more sense. That is to say, perhaps your average, spiritually un-enlightened or sleeping entity who is not overly STO or STS in his actions rests somewhere close to 23% STO. Making conscious efforts to go higher or lower than that number is difficult, and becomes more difficult the further you move away from 23%. In that sense it would be equally hard regardless of what you do. (and I am assuming this is only true of thrird density). Just some speculation. Cool train of thought you brought up!
Turtle Wrote:Sometimes I visit the forums on David Wilcock's site just to see what they're talking about there (I don't post there anymore), and I came across a thread titled "STS or STO, how about just Service to the One" or something like that. It really made me think about how I do believe we are all one mind/spirit/essence/etc. and that the concept of the two paths leading to unity are ridiculous. Do what is in your heart some say, and I agree...for me that means just being aware of my surroundings and my inner feelings/thoughts, and offering help to others when it feels right. Other than that, I do not TRY to do anything that would "increase polarity".
I don't agree with "increasing polarity"...I agree with "increasing my awareness of all being one". Know what I mean? Smile
I found this thought intriguing when I read it yesterday! Do you mean to say that you do not believe there are STS and STO paths, or that you just carry on without consciously thinking about either path but still believe that they exist? I would be up for plumbing the topic more. Certainly it is in line with a Newtonian outlook (that is, a Michael Newton outlook) in that all entities are essentially good and that evil that we observe on Earth is just veil related confusion and feelings of separation.
Loving the dialog everyone. Sorry for the 'wall of text' but I only have time to post once every few days. Cheers!