Waking up "out of body"

[Bring4th_Austin]

I agree, we have no necessity to fear. On the other hand, I'd also say we have no necessity to hope.

Hope removes us from the present, yes? There's no need to think "everything will okay." Everything IS as it is.

ok. then stop going to wc this instant. if everything as it is, just quit doing that. also, if everything is as it is at that given moment, stop right at that moment. even your breath should stop at the exact point you were inhaling/exhaling. because if you change ANYthing right from that moment in which everything 'is as it is', then it means everything was not 'okay' or 'as it is' at that given point in time.

I didn't say "everything is always okay." Everything is as it is. If you need to breathe in that moment, you obviously breathe. And it is.

doesnt differ - if everything 'is as it is' then you shouldnt breathe.

That's just a silly thing to say. The present moment offers you the opportunity to breathe, there's no reason to remove yourself from the present to breathe. The present isn't static. Living in the present doesn't mean staying stuck in a moment in time. Using your water closet example (I hope that's what you meant by WC, USA and all..), you need to use the bathroom...that's a present moment urge, so you use the present moment to use the bathroom. Relieving yourself is not removing yourself from the present moment.

the moment you continue your breathing everything becomes not 'as it was' and if you keep continuing, you keep changing that everything and that everything becomes 'as it changes' than 'as it is'.

I didn't say "everything is as it was." Of course nothing is "as it was." What it IS a moment ago is no longer what it IS now.

that makes 'present moment', 'as it is' propositions totally irrelevant.

Yeah, if for some reason you think "everything is as it is" means "the present moment never changes/should never change." I don't see how you make that conclusion. It's rather silly in my eyes.

Why do you think we should hope?

im at a loss to understand the relevance of this question to the above concept.

Because it was related in the original context of my statement which you wished to debate. Hope removes us from the present moment, and you're contesting the idea that we should not be removed from the present moment.