The Detuning of Session 17 and Ra's True Intentions Regarding 2011 - Part II

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This is what my opinion has evolved into. Don must have been receiving temptation and manipulation before the sessions, and this is what Ra was referring to allegorically within the sessions themselves, and also how the group's sessions will be taken out of context in the future (our conversations now).

Yes, this continues to make sense to me.

yes. that must be it ! ra must be allegorically referring to don's subconscious ................. and this is why they gave a direct answer of 2011 to a direct question asked by don ...

this stepped outside the bounds of simple logic at this moment. nomatter how your friend's subconscious is affected, when he asks a question and you directly answer it, you directly answer to a question your friend asked. an answer responding with a a name to question 'what is your name' level, cannot be 'allegorically referring to subconscious manipulations of .............'.

don asked the date of harvest, ra said 2011, even if don was totally out of his mind at that point, ra was not.

A case has been built for global instant death, but I just don't think that's how it's gonna happen. Not because I fear death - I've faced death before and didn't fear it - but because - I admit it! - I love this planet, I love this life, and I love people. I see such a huge wave of inspiration and activism happening...people really waking up and working together to heal the Earth...I just can't believe all of that would be for naught. What would be the point of that? just when humans are just beginning to finally 'get it right' then it's too little too late?

not to be harbinger of cold hard truth, but that awakening, 'people getting it' etc are happening in your circles. there are 7 billion on this planet, and what you speak of isnt even a minority among those. the reason is simple - souls do not just instantly leap in progress because higher vibrations are available. they will live what they will live in their due time.

as for 'its too little too late' -> yes, it is too little. but, it is not late. the minority you see 'awakening' (what kind of awakening that one is actually questionable) are 'awakening' because its their time on their spiritual path at this point, if they are awakening. the masses who are not awakening are not awakening because its not their time yet, and no amount of others awakening or propaganda or channeling or teaching or energies or vibrations will make them awaken before their time.

so, there is no lateness here. the entities which will awaken were probably already meant for this planet or wanderers. in the case of latter, they have their own social memory complex, their own densities, and their awakening here during harvest, actually is not relevant to planet's own - even if it ramps up the average 'awakening' level for a time, the planet will revert to its normal natural 4d self with the 4d entities that came here for 4d eventually. and the 3d entities NEED 3d environment and experiences, and they will go to a proper 3d planet.

there is nothing little or late about that. it is a simple process as much as the rays of the sun dropping on the face of the planet heats it and provides energies for life.

everything would be so much easy if it was otherwise. you would just plug in wanderers and sufficient number of 4d harvested entities to a planet during harvest time, and you would 'awaken' them.

And then, when everyone dies, the harvested souls just magically poof into the 4D sphere? By what mechanism? Or, all the Wanderers die, and all the STS harvestable entities die, and all those sitting on the fence die, leaving only the harvestable, to stay here in the already-4D sphere...well that doesn't fit what Ra said about the 3D body dying.

firstly, not having an explanation for a potential eventuality does not affect what reliable information we have. we cannot twist the information we have, to fit missing information or our expectations.

and your latter scenario actually may end up true, and it does not at all contradict with what Ra said aboud 3-4d bodies having to die. these bodies are able to live in 4d environment already. and, as of the necessities of 3-4d body, they will still die. it doesnt matter whether they live in a 3d environment and die, or, live in an environment vacated by 3d entities, but in 4d vibrations. they will still die. just like how 4d bodies will also eventually die when they evolve. (30,000 years per incarnation if i remember right, on average).

logically we dont have an explanation yet for what could happen post harvest. what we have, is what information we have. we cant change it to fit what we dont have. post-harvest, anything could happen.

So that leaves only the 3D-4D activated entities, who were already harvested...everyone else gone? What about all those Wanderers who have been meticulously preparing for this very event, by conditioning themselves via diet and lifestyle? There's a huge number of these people, who have a very strong vision of the future - a future that's peaceful and harmonious...these people have a vision that inspires their very being...some of them have sacrificed a great deal to turn that vision into reality...many of them are teaching others, and working together to create a New Earth. All for naught?

wanderers were here for helping harvest and 3d entities. if they got mixed in the sentiment of the times and started dieting, this that in order to be able to live in 4d environment, it is their own responsibility. whatever mechanic governs harvest and post harvest, will act in the way it was created to act. it wont change because some entities incarnated into the planet got caught up in the heat of the moment.

and, if there is a huge number of these people, who have a very strong vision of the future - a future that's peaceful and harmonious, its NOT this planet's future. its their vision. they cannot imprint or infringe it upon the planet. the planet should move along with the visions and aims of the entities which are incarnating here for its 4d, as per rules of free will. a newly 4d planet is not a playground for wanderers to trifle with. it is also an entity.

Sure, we might just be justifying our distaste for that 'inconvenient' statement by Ra. Or...it could just as easily be the opposite: those who interpret Ra's words to indicate death for all Wanderers might prefer that, to the difficult task that lies ahead. It will be hard work, fixing this mess and healing this planet. It doesn't make sense to me that all the Wanderers would just up and leave, right when the serious work starts and the newly-harvested entities could use a bit of guidance about how to live green, reconcile their differences without killing one another, etc.

healing the planet is the task of whichever entities that broke other planets. if some wanderers come and heal this planet in their frenzy, those other entities will need to offset their karma elsewhere. that will require another broken planet to be healed.

Somehow I don't think us Wanderers are going to be let off the hook quite so easily. We still have work to do.

and why shouldnt they be ? are they any lesser in rights and importance than 3d entities, for whom all this effort is being spent ? of course, if they barge in and take over others' cosmic karma, they wouldnt be let off the hook.

So...? How is that unacceptable? There's no veil anymore, so why hide anything?

please reread what you have not read :

just by being incarnated, a wanderer becomes basically a channel for energies of its own social memory complex, and vibration. this process is impeded by veil and reduced remembrance of the wanderer when in a 3d body. wanderers who can pierce this veil, can get in touch with their sources and increase the flow. so, it is basically tied to the capacity of the wanderer to pierce the veil.

however, when planet is fully aligned to 4d vibrations, it would become much easier for wanderers to pierce through the veil through their mind/spirit. a higher vibration is not only something they are desiring and craving for, but also something they remember. a 4d entity would not have the same drive to tune with 4d vibrations as much as a wanderer, despite s/he is of harvested status. wanderer is basically a high density entity which does not at all like the vibration vicinity of late 3d, leave aside 3d. it would desire to move to any more comfortable vibration it could find.

and when they tune with that energy, they will inevitably start piercing the veil even though in a 3d body, and they will inevitably be radiating the vibrations of their home social memory complex. this is not something optional or conscious. any entity is a reflector for the source it vibrates and draws energy from. a 'vibration' is not just some energy vibrating in some frequency - it also carries any kind of characteristic the resulting mind/spirit collective developed up till that point.

so you basically suddenly have a lot of entities which are radiating the vibrations of their home densities along with their understanding.

in short, they will collectively be imprinting their vibration and whatever understanding and inclinations that come with their vibration (not of the density only, but also their own social memory complex flavor) onto the newly budding 4d society.

there being no veil does not mean you can radiate your 6d vibrations to a 4d planet without being explicitly called.

How do you know they haven't been called? Maybe the newly harvested entities have called and do want some assistance. After all, they have quite a mess to clean up.

if they call anyone, that would be after the 4d society starts to form. and whomever called, would come through normal proper means that were depicted in subjects related to sleep, learning from disincarnate teachers and so on in 4d talk in the material.

you cant just drop in in 3d end, and then claim that you have been called - the ones calling you and allowed your incarnation were not 4d entities - they were 3d entities. and when they are gone, the call numbers go away.

Not from behind the veil...but with no more veil, free will won't be infringed upon.

really ? then why is there a call mechanism after 3d and entities do not go without being called ?

And you know this...how?

aaah. the call mechanism explained in the book ? that is valid for 4d, 5d, and on still ?

And why not? Some of use have kids, families, friends...Of course the idea of widespread, certain death in the next few months is distasteful. Why wouldn't it be? There's nothing to be ashamed of here. It doesn't mean we fear death, or don't have enough 'faith' or whatever...it just means we like our lives. And anyway, who will take care of our dogs and cats??

It could just as easily be argued that building a case for widespread death, might be a reflection of a desire to leave, or an unwillingness to face some difficult tasks that may still lie ahead.

It could work both ways.

yes, it could work both ways, but it shouldnt cloud judgment and attempt twisting of the information one has, or, heaven forbid, trying to 'reinterpret' and twist basic important spiritual principles like free will to fit one's own biases.

mass death is not necessary for a wanderer which wants to leave. contacting infinite intelligence gives the entity the right to choose time of leaving at any given moment regardless of anything. so, those who contacted intelligent infinity up till this moment, and contacts it from this moment on at any time, will be able to leave this planet, as per the material we study is telling us.

a major desire for desiring a mass death scenario, could be the desire to see entities that are suffering freed from their unnecessary suffering however. this planet has a lot of imbalances and quirks that make proper 3d experience near impossibility, as evidenced by the harvest numbers and potentials complained by confederation. so, there is no need to have entities live through this inefficiency and make them suffer. proper placement in a proper 3d planet would be much more comfortable for a 3d entity and make it not only spiritually satisfied, but also willing to actually manifest and progress.

Dual-activated refers to those entities born that way. But many Wanderers, and even some harvestable 3D's, might be becoming dual-activated, by mutating their 3D bodies via diet, lifestyle, etc. There is much to suggest that this is indeed happening.

no such possibility was mentioned in the material. so it is an outside observation. it cannot be concluded for sure or relied upon.