A case has been built for global instant death, but I just don't think that's how it's gonna happen. Not because I fear death - I've faced death before and didn't fear it - but because - I admit it! - I love this planet, I love this life, and I love people. I see such a huge wave of inspiration and activism happening...people really waking up and working together to heal the Earth...I just can't believe all of that would be for naught. What would be the point of that? just when humans are just beginning to finally 'get it right' then it's too little too late?
And then, when everyone dies, the harvested souls just magically poof into the 4D sphere? By what mechanism? Or, all the Wanderers die, and all the STS harvestable entities die, and all those sitting on the fence die, leaving only the harvestable, to stay here in the already-4D sphere...well that doesn't fit what Ra said about the 3D body dying.
So that leaves only the 3D-4D activated entities, who were already harvested...everyone else gone? What about all those Wanderers who have been meticulously preparing for this very event, by conditioning themselves via diet and lifestyle? There's a huge number of these people, who have a very strong vision of the future - a future that's peaceful and harmonious...these people have a vision that inspires their very being...some of them have sacrificed a great deal to turn that vision into reality...many of them are teaching others, and working together to create a New Earth. All for naught?
Sure, we might just be justifying our distaste for that 'inconvenient' statement by Ra. Or...it could just as easily be the opposite: those who interpret Ra's words to indicate death for all Wanderers might prefer that, to the difficult task that lies ahead. It will be hard work, fixing this mess and healing this planet. It doesn't make sense to me that all the Wanderers would just up and leave, right when the serious work starts and the newly-harvested entities could use a bit of guidance about how to live green, reconcile their differences without killing one another, etc.
Somehow I don't think us Wanderers are going to be let off the hook quite so easily. We still have work to do.
So...? How is that unacceptable? There's no veil anymore, so why hide anything?
How do you know they haven't been called? Maybe the newly harvested entities have called and do want some assistance. After all, they have quite a mess to clean up.
Not from behind the veil...but with no more veil, free will won't be infringed upon.
And you know this...how?
And why not? Some of use have kids, families, friends...Of course the idea of widespread, certain death in the next few months is distasteful. Why wouldn't it be? There's nothing to be ashamed of here. It doesn't mean we fear death, or don't have enough 'faith' or whatever...it just means we like our lives. And anyway, who will take care of our dogs and cats??
It could just as easily be argued that building a case for widespread death, might be a reflection of a desire to leave, or an unwillingness to face some difficult tasks that may still lie ahead.
It could work both ways.
Dual-activated refers to those entities born that way. But many Wanderers, and even some harvestable 3D's, might be becoming dual-activated, by mutating their 3D bodies via diet, lifestyle, etc. There is much to suggest that this is indeed happening.
I don't get what you're getting at here. Are you suggesting that Ra knew what had been omitted...or...what?
And then, when everyone dies, the harvested souls just magically poof into the 4D sphere? By what mechanism? Or, all the Wanderers die, and all the STS harvestable entities die, and all those sitting on the fence die, leaving only the harvestable, to stay here in the already-4D sphere...well that doesn't fit what Ra said about the 3D body dying.
So that leaves only the 3D-4D activated entities, who were already harvested...everyone else gone? What about all those Wanderers who have been meticulously preparing for this very event, by conditioning themselves via diet and lifestyle? There's a huge number of these people, who have a very strong vision of the future - a future that's peaceful and harmonious...these people have a vision that inspires their very being...some of them have sacrificed a great deal to turn that vision into reality...many of them are teaching others, and working together to create a New Earth. All for naught?
Sure, we might just be justifying our distaste for that 'inconvenient' statement by Ra. Or...it could just as easily be the opposite: those who interpret Ra's words to indicate death for all Wanderers might prefer that, to the difficult task that lies ahead. It will be hard work, fixing this mess and healing this planet. It doesn't make sense to me that all the Wanderers would just up and leave, right when the serious work starts and the newly-harvested entities could use a bit of guidance about how to live green, reconcile their differences without killing one another, etc.
Somehow I don't think us Wanderers are going to be let off the hook quite so easily. We still have work to do.
(09-08-2011, 09:16 PM)unity100 Wrote: just by being incarnated, a wanderer becomes basically a channel for energies of its own social memory complex, and vibration. this process is impeded by veil and reduced remembrance of the wanderer when in a 3d body. wanderers who can pierce this veil, can get in touch with their sources and increase the flow. so, it is basically tied to the capacity of the wanderer to pierce the veil.
however, when planet is fully aligned to 4d vibrations, it would become much easier for wanderers to pierce through the veil through their mind/spirit. a higher vibration is not only something they are desiring and craving for, but also something they remember. a 4d entity would not have the same drive to tune with 4d vibrations as much as a wanderer, despite s/he is of harvested status. wanderer is basically a high density entity which does not at all like the vibration vicinity of late 3d, leave aside 3d. it would desire to move to any more comfortable vibration it could find.
and when they tune with that energy, they will inevitably start piercing the veil even though in a 3d body, and they will inevitably be radiating the vibrations of their home social memory complex. this is not something optional or conscious. any entity is a reflector for the source it vibrates and draws energy from. a 'vibration' is not just some energy vibrating in some frequency - it also carries any kind of characteristic the resulting mind/spirit collective developed up till that point.
so you basically suddenly have a lot of entities which are radiating the vibrations of their home densities along with their understanding.
in short, they will collectively be imprinting their vibration and whatever understanding and inclinations that come with their vibration (not of the density only, but also their own social memory complex flavor) onto the newly budding 4d society.
So...? How is that unacceptable? There's no veil anymore, so why hide anything?
(09-08-2011, 09:16 PM)unity100 Wrote: without having been called by 4d entities. without there being any options to accept or reject or offset.
How do you know they haven't been called? Maybe the newly harvested entities have called and do want some assistance. After all, they have quite a mess to clean up.
(09-08-2011, 09:16 PM)unity100 Wrote: so the new 4d planetary entity will be born by being heavily imprinted upon. this is not something that is acceptable per the principle of free will.
Not from behind the veil...but with no more veil, free will won't be infringed upon.
(09-08-2011, 09:16 PM)unity100 Wrote: it is not possible to defend against free will principle by proposing that these wanderers were called to this 3d planet to help either - 3d planet is no longer a 3d planet. and they were not called by 4d entities.
And you know this...how?
(09-08-2011, 09:16 PM)unity100 Wrote: you seemed to be trying to weed out if there were any ways to leave the density without going through anything resembling the process of death as known here.
And why not? Some of use have kids, families, friends...Of course the idea of widespread, certain death in the next few months is distasteful. Why wouldn't it be? There's nothing to be ashamed of here. It doesn't mean we fear death, or don't have enough 'faith' or whatever...it just means we like our lives. And anyway, who will take care of our dogs and cats??
It could just as easily be argued that building a case for widespread death, might be a reflection of a desire to leave, or an unwillingness to face some difficult tasks that may still lie ahead.
It could work both ways.
(09-08-2011, 09:16 PM)unity100 Wrote: wanderers being dual activated is not a possibility, since dual activated body already allows remembrance of 4d characteristics by newly harvested 4d entities as stated in the material. this would basically entail to a easy and fast piercing of the veil for wanderers even from the start.
Dual-activated refers to those entities born that way. But many Wanderers, and even some harvestable 3D's, might be becoming dual-activated, by mutating their 3D bodies via diet, lifestyle, etc. There is much to suggest that this is indeed happening.
(09-09-2011, 01:00 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: What? What does Ra mean that a portion of the query has been omitted?
I don't get what you're getting at here. Are you suggesting that Ra knew what had been omitted...or...what?