(09-08-2009, 02:47 PM)Quantum Wrote: All is light. All is Love. We are light. We are love. It is stated by the Ra message that by the 51% principle for graduation that we need be minimally at 51% LOVE/LIGHT (L/L) in order to ascend, i.e. Graduate. By this principle we might infer that we need be at 51% L/L from 2D to meet 3D, or from 3D to meet/balance/accept/receive the next higher order of light at 4D Who knows. But what may be stated with certainty nevertheless, as has been instructed, is that this density of 3D requires 51% to move to 4D.
(09-08-2009, 06:00 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: I don't think that can be inferred. As you state later in this post, Who knows? Ra did not specify. What we do know is that the criteria for graduating from 2D to 3D is sentience, ie. awareness of self as an individual. In 2D there is no polarity; thus, the percentages might have zero meaning/applicability in that density.I agree. I in fact as much as said this? It might be interesting nonetheless as a question only, even without an answer or direct quote from Ra. This is the nature of growth. One may not assume simply that because Ra did not state a speculative principle, yet based nonetheless on the teachings, that the speculation is not interesting or not possible as a said speculation.
(09-08-2009, 06:00 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Likewise, even though there is polarity in 4D, it is the density of Love, with graduation being a movement from the density of Love to the density of Wisdom. In contrast to 3D, which is Choice, those higher densities might not utilize polarity in the same was as is done in 3D. Hence, again, the percentages might not be applicable.I as much as said this as well?
(09-08-2009, 06:00 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Again, Who knows? Although an interesting topic of speculation, I don't think we can presume to infer any such applicability across the densities. Just as the rules of gravity are different under water as on land, the criteria for graduation might be vastly different in the different densities. I don't recall Ra ever addressing percentages in other densities, specifically. If someone can find such a reference, please do let us know!"There are no presumptions made?" To presume is to undertake with unwarrantable boldness, or to act or do something without right or permission. "These are speculations only, as an exercise only", and clearly stated as such. Without engaging in speculation, I dare say there is little chance of attempting to understand the Material or it's principles more fully. Ra never ever, never addressed this fact, nor is it offered as such, much less intended as such. No need to search for a reference? Its not there. Heck, we'll never know if the Ra passages are in fact fact. To this point Monica, I feel it important to suggest that we as a group may grow greatly through "speculation, contemplation, wonderment", as it were, by "asking, seeking, questioning" vs presuming, this as opposed to strictly "stricturing" (as Ra would say - i.e. "release this from its stricture") oneself or the Material strictly to it's four corners only. If ever an attempt were made to speculate on any topic without a Ra quote, then one could not speculate. One would by necessity then singularly hold oneself only to the Ra quotes, this without the beauty of seeking where else the applications of law or theory may apply. This would be a detriment to the Material. Simply contemplating, asking, remaining in wonderment, speculation, and seeking alone has a polarizing effect so as to allow one's soul and mind to soar within the mystery of the infinite
(09-08-2009, 02:47 PM)Quantum Wrote: If 51% is required for us to penetrate/transcend, then may it not stand to reason that our ability to absorb at 51% is the Hallmark for transcendence? We then come to the question of what it is that comprises this/these qualities that allows for the absorption for this movement for transcendence being nominally at 51%. The ability to Love is certainly enough. However, the ability to absorb is perhaps facilitated by the ability to abstract as given by Ra. In other words, the ability to contemplate, deeper, shall we say.
(09-08-2009, 06:00 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: I would hope not, for that would mean that those with lesser intelligence would be at a disadvantage. I know plenty of people with acute intellects but no love, and others with warm, open hearts but only a weak intellect. And still others who cannot abstract, but can grasp concepts such as love/kindness/generosity and, more importantly, apply those concepts. My understanding of the Law of One is that the application is far more important than the comprehension.Again, I said this? Look above wherein I state LOVE is enough. I am suggesting that love coupled also with the principle of contemplation allows polarization more acutely, this as specified in a Ra quote as seen and discussed in the "Rapid Polarization vis-a-vis Abstraction" thread on "Life on Planet Earth." Love is plenty enough. There may however be "far more to work with" as Ra stated, coupled with love.
(09-08-2009, 02:47 PM)Quantum Wrote: It may be a principle of law to any given energy whether it be applied to a living room plant, an animal, a teaching, a law, or graduation.
(09-08-2009, 06:00 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Interesting idea. It doesn't resonate with me, because of the Choice being an issue of polarity, and the percentage being an issue of polarity, and the fact that other densities are not necessarily concerned with polarity as criteria. But, who knows?Truth be told, we know very little. The entire Forum is one devoted to seeking. How does one know if even the Ra Material is truth? We don't. All we may rely on is our faith, our ability to contemplate, and our love to guide us. Suggesting we don't know as an already established understanding serves only to stifle the imagination of to what else the principles the LOO Material may also apply other than to singularly that which has been given. "I really don't know" is an already well established fact by virtue of the further fact that I am seeking as opposed to having found everything I seek. My point is that I am happy to speculate without the need to state "we don't know", given that we really never will. It is one thing to speculate or contemplate to that which is contrary to the Ra Material, not because it is wrong to do so, but perhaps more so only because it would be counter-productive to this wonderful forum. But it is an altogether different proposition to simply speculate on the Ra Material as may in fact apply to other arenas. Yes I may be wrong. Yes I may be right. No its not in the Ra quotes. Yes it may be inferred. No it may not. Infer nonetheless, just for the exercise and wonderment, if not simply for the sheer joy of the "unknown maybe". Who knows needn't be offered with each new "maybe". We know we don't know. The "maybe" may be sufficient unto itself as a means of stimulating another maybe, all for the purpose in the attempt to penetrate another truth which will never be proved.
"Simply contemplating, asking, remaining in wonderment, speculation, and seeking alone has a polarizing effect so as to allow one's soul and mind to soar within the mystery of the infinite". (circa 2009 - "Q")
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