The Detuning of Session 17 and Ra's True Intentions Regarding 2011 - Part II

[Tenet Nosce]

if you look at the description of the process in there, you will find that the entity 'Carla' was missing from the environment during the working, and together with Ra social memory complex in their home vibration.

there is no 'Carla' at that point.

OK I will refrain from further commentary on this particular aspect of the discussion until I review the relevant information in more detail.

actually we do. we have a long tally of channeling methods starting from late 1800s. in among them, the description and mechanic of what we observe here, come up as the most perilous and outstanding.

Will you please provide some references here? Specifically, a characterization of the method used in the Ra material, as well as examples of other information acquired from such practices? By this, I mean is there another example of the same "standard" of purity you are attributing to the Ra material?

Also, I thought you said that Carla wasn't channeling...? I believe you effectively said she was dying and reborn as Ra completely displaced her consciousness into time/space during the contact. Perhaps we should completely back up here and you could give me a working definition of "channeling" and explain how the Ra material fits in. As if I were a neophyte and you were explaining what this is to me for the very first time.

You seem to be insinuating that there is some very fundamental understanding which I do not have. If such is the case, then take "baby steps" with me so that I can understand.

don's conscious state is irrelevant to the answer Ra gives.

I don't think so. Don's conscious state is directly relevant to his specific choice of words in a particular query. This in turn directly impacts the amount and type of information Ra may offer in the response. We know that Don was prone to mood swings, which moreover were amplified as the negative contact continued to ensue. We know that Carla was also increasingly concerned over this, as was the rest of the group.

I am really sorry, but you appear to be in denial that the "thoughts" and "feelings" of those present in the room directly impacts the quality of the reading. Not to mention the presence of negative entities, or solar flares, pain in Carla's knee, or whatever else happens to be going on at that moment. I really don't see any basis for believing that all of these things are completely trivialized because the group traced a circle and said a prayer.

Carla's unconscious state is out of the question. since she is not there at that moment. you may want to do a reading into history of channeling and methods of channeling.

Where would you suggest to begin?

the situation here is no different from the entity walking in to abraham lincoln's body. it used abraham lincoln's own vocabulary, language skills, and yet it was a totally different entity. the difference in this case is, there is no veil of forgetting involved.

But why would an entity have to use lincoln's own vocabulary and language skills if lincoln was completely removed from the situation? Why not just start speaking swahili and performing the macarena?

screwing up due to naivete, and being controlled by negative entities are two different things. you cannot equate screwing up due to lack of wisdom to being controlled by a negative entity to make mistakes, and then being prevented from making those mistakes.

Are you saying that the only possible influence a negative entity may have is in taking direct control? According to my understanding of the situation, negative entities only attempt to take direct control in extremely rare circumstances. The majority of the efforts are aimed toward distracting the seeker, or influencing them to come to a false conclusion based upon incomplete information. That the group was under direct attack does not preclude more standard methods being undertaken simultaneously.

not only that, you also let go of the orders of progress in regard to this octave , from 5th to late 6th at least.

Eh? I am not following you in this statement.

an entity which has evolved into 6d from 5d, has evolved to it by passing all the necessary lessons that is relevant to 5d.

this includes any kind of possessive influence, 'mind control', being mislead, taken astray and many many more, which are being used as a base for proposing negative influence. you cannot pass from 5d to 6d, without having fulfilled these lessons (from both sides), just like how a 3d entity is not able to pass through 4d before fulfilling requirements of 4d.

the entity we are talking about is late 6d to boot.

OK, yes. I concur. You seem to be thinking that I am saying that Ra was manipulated. I am saying that the group was being manipulated. Which we both know is true. You seem to be saying that "something" was preventing this manipulation from impacting the material. That it didn't matter if Don was in a foul mood that day, or if Carla was in extreme pain, it didn't matter and Ra said EXACTLY what they intended to say at all points in the material.

Which if that is true, then when Ra said "The harvest is now.", then Ra meant NOW, as in 1981. You are performing the exact same sort of mental gymnastics here that you have been critical of in others. Either that or I have been completely misunderstanding you, in which case it is a wonder that we have been able to have any coherent conversation at all!

actually i have already expressed this, and will not express it if you just go back and reiterate it again. i feel that you are either not reading what other people write, or just ignoring them.

I will go and look, but no I don't always read the entirety of your reply to somebody else before composing a reply to you. What would be even more helpful is if within "i have already expressed this", you created a link to the actual post where you expressed it.

if there was any kind of successful influence on the process, the influence would need to prevent Ra from going back and correcting the 2011 date that was introduced.

There clearly was a successful influence as evidenced by all of us not being able to reach a consensus on the matter. Surely, Ra intended for us to understand something. As it now stands, the situation looks pretty bleak for Ra's success, as only a few people on the entire planet have managed to not only come into contact with the material by 2011, and even fewer have been able to penetrate its true meaning.

It sounds to me like you consider yourself to be one of those very few who has landed upon the precise interpretation of the material. So, what say you? Harvest is in 52 days. What message do you have for me, Tenet Nosce, who appears to be one minute on the verge of grasping something, and the next minute floundering in confusion. Any advice?

it is an either or situation. Ra corrected any slip ups. for a slip up not to be corrected, the entity must have taken over Ra for the rest of the material. period.

Then why was the slip up where Ra said "The harvest is now." not corrected?

you dont understand why so much time was spent on 'tarot' archetypes, and then you proceed on to dub that material 'transitory' ?

I didn't use the word "transitory" in reference to the archetypes, but the continuing dwelling upon the negative contact, and other transient material. I can see how it could have been read that way. But in any case, seeing as how the goal was to publish the material for all to see, then no I am still not clear why a thorough discussion of the archetypes was necessary. This is not meant to be a "Training Manual for Logoi".

The "message" of the Law of One is that it is sufficient for a 3D entity to be able to perceive itself in others and others in itself. A deep-down nitty-gritty look at the archetypes is fascinating, but not at all necessary for the average person. This is advanced study material.

Learning to find the precise balance point between the focused will of The Magician and the chaotic unpredictability of The Wheel is not a third density learning. In third density it is sufficient to know that "You Reap What You Sow" and "The Only Constant Is Change".

are you joking or is this serious ?

I hope this clears things up for you.