The Detuning of Session 17 and Ra's True Intentions Regarding 2011 - Part II

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I concur. Therefore, if the hypothesis proposed here is true, that forces us to accept something that might be difficult to swallow. That would be the possibility that the Ra material is, in any way, "better" or "more special" than any other body of channeled material out there. I admit, this would be difficult for me to accept. However, you and I both have been arguing that people need to be willing to accept things that are uncomfortable for them in order to grow. So maybe this is that thing, for us.

that would only be true and valid if the proposition that was put forth did not contradict itself, and was true. it does. as you know from the threads in which i had to switch my perspective regarding sudden/lengthy harvest, i have no qualms in changing my perspective with sufficient and valid information, in an instant.

'ra is compromised because i dont like q/a 17.29' is not in my list that includes sufficient and valid information. it is beyond waste that we are even discussing the personal bias of someone which strongly requires s/he deny a particular uncomfortable info. the only good outcome from this has been the reemphasis of the importance of initiation and disattachment to passing earthly stuff.

your assessments regarding harvest date and duration were sound and solid.

that basically would totally invalidate everything in the material except 'we are all one'.

Not necessarily, if some additional principle could be discerned by which to more accurately ascertain each statement's validity.

For example, one could create a body of fundamental statements based from the material that have 100% coherence, and use that as a "yardstick" for evaluation of more convoluted statements.

no you cannot do that - you can see that in the earlier phases of this thread, when attempted, it came out in the form of instantly divining the purity of the questioner and the measure of negative influence.

there is no way that you can do these measurements, so that you could be able to measure the 'level of negative influence' with it.

In addition, I have for some time been attempting to draw more attention to the "garbage in / garbage out" aspect of channeling with respect to the query structure. These comments have been largely downplayed, ignored, or attacked by many other forum members. Including at one point you, yourself, seemed pretty annoyed that I kept pushing the issue on multiple threads. Bottom line is, I believe there is an entire science which could be made out of how to construct a query in order to maximize the value of the reply . So this in my mind continues to be a pink elephant in the room, no matter what conclusions are being drawn about harvest.

i am at a loss as to how you are labeling this as channeling. this is not conscious or semi conscious channeling. this is basically one entity technically dying, leaving the body, and another walking in, without being subject to veil. it is no different than an alien basically landing in your backyard.

that aside, you lost me about the structure of queries, pink elephant, and my annoyance with you pushing something. if you recite a few lines from those threads, i will elaborate.

also totally invalidating any need to think on the quotes, any kind of discussion over them, any information that is the result of their conclusions. because any of them can be fake now.

Well, no not necessarily. Although I do acknowledge the possibility and most certainly see why this whole thing can be extremely frustrating. But it does also hint at a different "level" of information that has not been actively pursued, as I referred to above. This is "meta" information. Information about the process of channeling itself, how it words, and how to make it more effective. This is immensely more valuable than whether or not Rasputin graduated, for example.

no - necessarily. you are still missing fundamental fact here :

the measurement of 'contamination' of the channel, is totally based on one's own desire. there is no way you could measure the purity of the questioner, ra, and the scribe. i am leaving out the channel, as you can see, for she was not there in that body.

in regard to 'meta information', 'effectiveness of words' and such - excuse me but there is not that much complication in this.

see, here ?

you are asking me a question. i am answering your question. i am still an entity that is attached to a body that is made of physical material, whereas i am still actually in time/space with mind/spirit. yet you are taking my replies literally, not talking about garbage in garbage out, or contamination, level of information and so on.

it is not any different with the process you are talking about in this contact - there are 3 entities participating - a questioner, ra, and a scribe. it is no different than 3 people talking in a room, and when you ask a question and get an answer from your friend, you taking it literally as answered.

Whether harvest is tomorrow, thirty years ago, or 300 years from now, we are still talking about conscious contact with intelligent infinity. This is essentially like having your own personal Ra. Again, this gets back to my own personal experiences where I used to attend weekly trance channeling sessions involving groups of about 20 - 30 attendees. Every week, a message was given on some topic, and then it was opened up to queries from the audience. Unfortunately, these people had little idea how to properly query an oracle. It was obvious to me that they did not understand that their specific choice of words was limiting the information which could be communicated to them, such as to respect free will. Do you see what I am getting at here?

i see what you are trying to get at, and yet you seem to be continuing in the wrong footing from the start. as i said - conscious, semi conscious channeling, trance and this kind of thing cannot be compared.

if you and i were to meet in person, you would ask my name, and you would take my name to be what i replied you. you wouldnt suspect negative interference, you wouldnt reinterpret what i said, you wouldnt suspect the structure of your query.

excuse me but i dont even know what we are discussing here. it seems that people are trying to force themselves to introduce doubt into simple, blatant, direct, questions. it really has gone out of the roof.

there is no such doubt any more than one wants and needs doubt on that level.

what you are overlooking, is one of the options you count is not an option at all. acceptance of that 'option' totally invalidates any information in this material.

Assuming you are correct, we are still left with

The harvest is now.

Can you offer a way to account for this which is coherent with your views? If so, I think that would be very helpful for this thread.

'is now' is a phrase that is used as 'imminent' in english literature and language.

if harvest was really 'then', the correct wordage and termage would take the form of 'harvest is happening as of now'.

again, why we are even revisiting this ? just because someone had opened 3 threads in quick succession in order to confirm a strong bias s/he needed defended, and eventually ending up claiming total invalidation of Ra (rather unknowingly though, he just wanted to invalidate one or two q/as) ?

we already discussed MANY more than the quote you have revisited here in the first 2 threads.

This sphere is at this time in fourth-dimension vibration.

is in the same "Plain As Day" category in my mind. And for now I am not ready to give that one up. We still have a fairly large misconception going on about 3D earth "becoming" 4D earth to address. Again, whether or not the hypothesis forwarded here is true, we still have to contend with the idea that sooner or later, one generation is going to be the "last" generation, with all the attendant absurdities of a falling population.

address what ?

harvest != movement into 4d vibrations. how many times we have discussed this ? what is the problem at that point even ?

I am not really arguing with you, but I will observe that there is no basis for these statements within the Ra material. This is "meta" information about the process of channeling itself.

yes. however this doesnt allow entities to call bullshit on what they do not like selectively, going through extreme versions of that kind of nonsense themselves.

if you trust reliability of information, you trust it. if you dont, you dont. you cannot selectively trust information in places you dont like, and revert back later.

even if it took the form of saying 'ra was wrong', it would be acceptable. however it isnt like that.

second, this channeling was done unconsciously, and in a manner that totally put the channeler out of its body. the channeler, was not present there. what was there was an entity named as Ra.

Sorry, but again I personally know a trance channeler, and she would not describe it as such. So, either your characterization is incorrect, or it is a purely subjective experience in which case this is just another thing that is pointless to debate.

notice - i didnt say trance channeling. for, this is not trance channeling. the method used in this contact was elaborated in the material. you will see that it is a very peculiar practice. and actually this was the reason for a lot of the troubles and dangers surrounding this contact.

if it was a common practice, it would be not only much easier for Ra to find a group, but also information similar to Ra material would be transmitted by other parties - ra is not the only 6d entity that is involved with this sphere at this moment you know. one can say that the involvement of the south american group is much heavier than Ra.