Share your vision for the harvest

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Generally speaking, by referring to a person's ability to perceive 4d understandings, I am saying the same thing that you are.

no we arent. i am saying that even if an entity is able to manifest a good majority of feelings that may be felt pertaining to heart chakra, 4d vibrations, s/he may not be harvestable.

totally due to free will of entities on the planet. the entities could be harvest ready long before the vibrations began in 1937. or straggle behind like they are doing just now. or anything else, ranging from the tree people in sirius being able to send a spaceship to explore the meaning of hostile and warlike acts to this planet as they prepare for their harvest in end 3d, or even like how they were able to approach social memory complex state two times or so.

a function of free will. the planet on the other hand, moves according to the mechanism infinite intelligence provided it seems.

lol..tree people. I think you're missing the underlying perception in my opinion. The time in which the planet makes its transition and the harvest mechanic should coincide and be one in the same because they are both the same dimensional shift.

there is no definition of 'dimensional shift' in regard to definition of harvest - harvest was defined as an event in which gates to intelligent infinity open in the observance of entities from above the octave and guardians. no dimensional shift, leaving aside not defined, was not even present at all in the earlier 2 harvests on this planet. we have been given a standard definition for harvest and no differentiation, even for positive/negative, meaning that the harvest mechanics is the same (as it should be) in all of this universe after the mechanic created by intelligent infinity.

Now you're saying the harvest has a subjective quality? You have been stressing that it occurs mechanically. I agree that there is a free will quality, as I believe the harvest occurs upon death. Again, if the planet is able to make use of energies to shift dimensionally, it must be moving through the same local gateway the entities use.

you have not understood what i was saying.

harvest is an event which happens at the precise timing the mechanic created for it causes it to happen.

the situation that may be present on a planet due to the free will of entities creating this or that situation prior to, and during harvest AT the time of that harvest, is a function of free will. even on top of that, we are told that the gates to intelligent infinity opens REGARDLESS of the circumstances upon the planet at the striking of the hour. so yes, it is mechanical. it wont change its timing because entities on the planet swayed this or that way. even if the majority of entities were able to progress and contact intelligent infinity before the harvest hour with their own efforts, the gates would still open at the same hour. this goes for the sirius tree people preparing for harvest too - they have approached a societal memory complex state twice - this is something that happens post MID 4d. leave aside start of 4d. they approached this state for two times, and yet, they are still waiting for their harvest. this should tell a lot.

the planet doesnt 'shift dimensions'. a new plane/dimension is generated on the planet, if you look at what Ra says about how 4d entities would be living on this planetary influence, but not on this plane. (3d). just like how you can still go and land on venus and go about in its 1d, (maybe 2d) and 3d vibrating environments.

That's my point..the 80 years has no meaning. I'm making the observation that in terms of cyclical timings, the harvest gateway opening shouldn't lag behind the planet's ability to shift dimensionally.

leaving aside that there is no 'dimensional shift' or anything that fantastic in the works out there, and taking that you wanted to mean the creation of a 4d planes/sphere on a planet; if you look at the situation regarding the sirius tree people which accomplished 4d feats which should not have been accomplished before mid 4d, and were named as STILL 3d entities, (not even 3-4d entities in hybrid bodies and so on, probably their bodies are already evolving en masse) there seems to be no relevance in between harvest and the ability of entities on a planet.

i dont know how you can even go about concluding that - there was no dimensional shift or anything in the first 2 cycles, gates still opened and harvesters still came. you are basically saying that there should be a difference in harvest mechanic in the 3rd cycle, and it should be tied to the capacity and free will of entities on the planet. that defies the logic of a mechanic being there. through free will, inordinate amounts of variations in what results at a harvest can be effected, for better or for worse.

really, i dont know why we are even discussing this. i dont think you are perceiving the level and seriousness of what 'gates to intelligent infinity opening' means. it is something surpasses the octave. you cannot make it something tied to the capacities and wills of entities in 3d. this would be basically expecting above 7d feats from 3d entities en masse. not individually too. that is something that cannot work, spiritually.

so infinite intelligence apparently created a mechanic that will take effect in the exact striking of precise timing of the hour, and never fail to take effect.

if it had been in any way tied to the will of the entities on a planet, the confederation would start its efforts 100-200 years before this date in contacting the planet like the stuff we are reading these days, because you could not estimate what the free will of entities would cause 30 years, 40 years later. maybe they would bring about a fast early harvest and cause harvest to be small. maybe they would delay it 200 years and offset everything.

Yet, Ra said it's reasonable to assume the harvest may occur in 2011. What that means for the experience here in space/time, I don't know. But I think they were referring to the harvest in a collective sense, not that the gateway will open in 2011. No free will violation concept is being postulated.

well, at this point you need to realize that the level of 'free will' is only at the level which the mechanics created by infinite intelligence allows. the ridiculous amounts of free will as perpetrated by some sources, unfortunately, do not exist. else, you would have a universe in which some entities with their tiny ape bodies were able to destroy planets with their thoughts, or bend the next octave with their whims.

you should reflect on what was said about logoi as 'each sub logos perceives itself as offering free will to its sub sub logoi'. so each sub logos expands on the set of possibilities it was given to it, towards its sub-sub-logoi, BASED on the mechanics created by the infinite intelligence - not even the first ever logos. that logos itself acted upon the mechanics created by infinite intelligence. actually, it manifests as a source of energy/light just because infinite intelligence created something called 'light' that travels in a straight line in order to represent infinity in a line.

so, the sun you have as sub logos in your solar system now, does not have the option of not manifesting as an energy source that emits light traveling in a straight line if it chose to. it can chose not to, or to do it.

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in short, it is a grand exaggeration to think that entities manifesting just as hominoid monkeys at this planet can have free will to the point of entities from the NEXT OCTAVE being subject to it.

the entire existence does not turn around the 7 billion monkeys that may happen to be living on a planet you know. the harvesters that is being spoken of, have their own free will and their paths they follow in the NEXT octave. they cant wait at the gate of infinite intelligence just because the kids on this planet may decide this or that.

what you propose is way too human-centric, and self-indulged. there is an entire creation out there which turns on mechanics that dont wait for anyone's free will.

I'm saying that it can happen, because the gateway is one and the same.

you are saying that gateway is one and the same, and then proposing that it will open at a totally different mechanic than it opened in the first two cycles. why the exception ?

it was told that harvest was something that happened on a mechanic in a clock like fashion. i dont know how you are able to just inject exceptions. not to mention that all of the exceptions seem to revolve on the comfort, whim and desires of entities on this planet.