08-27-2011, 05:12 PM
(08-27-2011, 02:50 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(08-27-2011, 01:22 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: So if Ra on two occasions, chose to give the image of the "clock striking upon the hour", they obviously wanted to communicate a certain discreteness to the event. It doesn't make sense to say that, for a being like Ra, maybe the clock striking is like a thousand years... That is all mumbo-jumbo because Ra ALREADY KNOWS this. Ra knows all about the differences in the perception of time between their state of consciousness and ours. So if Ra wanted to convey that the harvest was an ongoing event which took place over a period of a thousand years, they would have said as such.With all due respect, this is as BS of an interpretation as anything else. The beginning of something discrete can be instantaneous, while the effects gradual.
tenet is precise in his assessment. ra has never used a word out of place. when they were used, they were corrected. when they meant start of something, they said 'start of something'. this is probably one of the reasons most of us are studying this material in the first place anyway.
regardless, update that to 'happening of something can be instantaneous and its after effects gradual'.
definite explanations were given. in the numerous definitive statements made about harvest there are :
- galactic shape being like a clock, and this clock carrying planets and solar systems through densities in a clocklike fashion through the central logos of the galaxy (this was told to be planned by infinite intelligence btw, this means it is a mechanism)
- in similar fashion, approach of harvest, and subsequent 4d was named AS PRECISE AS the strikings of a clock.
- harvest was defined as gateways to infinite intelligence opening
- harvest was told to happen three times per a 75,000 year 3d, in 25,000 year intervals
- harvest was told to happen REGARDLESS of the circumstances upon striking of the hour, on the planet
- harvest was told to be going to happen IN 2011. not start in 2011 and continue. happen in 2011 would mean start AND end in 2011. but, not continue past it. this means harvest is something that happens in a time period which we can fit into one of our years - even if 2011 is not a certain date.
the above do not leave any doubt to what they mean - harvest is an event which happens with gateway to intelligent infinity opening, in the watch of harvesters. this happens 3 times a 3d cycle, and at the last cycle everyone is harvested. and after that, 4d starts.
there are various implications. since, a 3d planet does not enter green vibrations until end of 3d, and the first 2 harvests happen without a 4d starting, there can be no linking made in between start of 4d, and harvest. harvest happens without 4d starting and 3d ending.
since there wouldnt be any green vibrations to increase the frequency of entities in the first 2 cycles (planet is not in green spectrum yet), and actually gateway to infinite intelligence requires not only green, but full spectrum from red to indigo, there has to be something that is happening and providing the amount and frequency needed for the gateway openings. this, would be the harvest.
it can also be said that, it may be a possibility that a planet's general vibrational frequency increase as the gateway opens, and falls when the gateway closes, even if it is probably dependent on the vibration of the entities on the planet. (since the planet is not yet traveling in green vibration spectrum). but still this kind of increase would be uncertain, and would not provide sufficient amount of energy or vibrational frequency in order to assure intelligent infinity contact, due to being subject to state of the capability of the society on the planet.
therefore this means, the opening of the gateway to intelligent infinity happens with the event we call harvest, and the gate opening provides everything that is needed for contact.
this is the harvest as we are told. and as per other information, this happens IN space/time, and time/space, despite being a time/space phenomenon. (naturally actually any kind of spiritual energy/vibration increase would affect mind/spirit).
after harvest happens and the gateway closes, those who chose not to leave during harvest, would behold an environment which fell to natural frequency levels, at the balance point of the vibration of the society, and the core vibration of the planet. ie - remember how we were told the core frequency of the planet was green, and the spectrum of photon vibration was also green since 1937, and this was creating problems due to the frequency/level of the society still being stuck in orange/yellow spectrum. (unused heat, quakes etc etc). what this tell us is that the frequency of the society lives on a planet, can be different and incompatible with the frequency that the planet is in.
so, when harvest comes in as of this moment, and increases the frequency of the entities on the planet through any measure of exposure to infinite intelligence, we can expect the overall vibration of the society to increase, with all the potential problems it would bring (people going mad etc). and when harvest ends, the vibration of the society would fall down, to whatever current new equilibrium it is going to stabilize at. since the overall frequency is orange/yellow, it would be naive to expect it to balance in the green spectrum. for that, majority of entities would need to be in green spectrum, and also mentally compatible with it. (not acting against their core vibration due to their mental conditioning and behavior sets and reducing their vibration unintentionally).
then when the harvest passes, the vibration would fall down to earlier levels, even if it stops at a higher point than it was, but not at the green spectrum itself. this assumes of course, noone leaves the planet. what would happen if the unharvested leave through dying, or wanderers leave through dying, is another matter and would affect the overall frequency of the society.
let me sum this all up :
- harvest is a cosmic event which is a mechanism that ticks with the revolution of the galactic logos. it is a mechanism that was planned by infinite intelligence. it is a very basic level event
- it happens at a given time point, and the harvested entities contact infinite intelligence. 'harvested' means, 'contacted intelligent infinity'. there is no obligation of dying (based on what we know so far) after contacting infinite intelligence.
- any entity which contacted infinite intelligence, through any means, can leave a 3d planet at any given point in time through intelligent infinity.
- at the end of 3rd cycle of a 3d planet, 4d on that planet starts
- cataclysms were not planned by this logos. they are a natural result of free will of entities. whether they may or may not happen, is disregarded by harvest. it happens regardless of the circumstances
- at harvest, there are harvesters from ABOVE this octave. this explains the definition 'gateway to intelligent infinity' -> during harvest a gate opens which transcends the boundaries of octaves
- cyclic mayan calendar seems to have a connection with this. it is probably part of info the south american group brought.
what i expect to happen during harvest :
- entities will contact intelligent infinity - this is not a feeling that is too dissimilar to some people who experienced intelligent infinity contact which was described in Ra material in various points. however, this time, there are harvesters and there is a harvest. so, it will be different than earlier personal experiences.
what i expect after harvest :
- a lot of people may die, choosing to leave through intelligent infinity. basically, this is 'it'. it couldnt get any better than that. naive would be to worry about these people, since they couldnt be in any better situation than this, in any way possible. they actually may do this at any point after harvest too. the manner of, or apparent 'reason' for their death would probably depend totally on their own choosing. whether there may be walk-in situations, is a discussion in itself.
- a lot of people may experience a lot of issues, some or many die, due to problems created due to exposure to high vibrations. this is unlikely, since we arent seeing considerable trouble in people's psyches or health as vibrations increase. but still a possibility.
- a lot of people may go instable/temporarily mad.
- most people may realize something's afoot, but not be able to make out what.
- any kind of potential problems/cataclysms/disruptions due to conditions of disharmony in between the 3d society and present vibrations.
- after harvest, vibration of this society will drop to its earlier levels, even if a bit higher. this is due to free will function. considering the highest the planet is in at this moment is green, i expect it to be somewhere in yellow at most. this is also rather optimistic.
- with a low chance, all the unharvested 3d entities may die. low chance though. would fix almost all of the problems on this planet.
- 3-4d dual incarnated entities keep on living. they were harvested, and unless they get harvested again and choose to leave, (where will they go anyway, they are already 4d and their home planet is this, so unlikely) they are the ones who are to keep living in their current bodies during and after harvest. this is a given. they are the ones to create 4d bodies through gradual reproduction. whether they may be hauled off to other locations, (like the hidden cities south american group built) etc is a discussion in itself.
- any issues that may arise due to the extreme level of technology given to this society, those who are privy to that technology, any kind of need to offset this by external sources etc, are subjects in themselves
- i dont expect any fantastic transformations, magnificent strides forward in consciousness etc, unless unharvested entities leave planet en masse. what i mentioned about overall vibration of 3d society holds here.
- there will be a small period of time in which gates to intelligent infinity open, and those who can work with intelligent energy may exhibit paranormal feats during this period, in an easier fashion. limitations of 3d or 3-4d bodies and the overall capacity of entity's violet balance of course factors.
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the above is what is likely given the current information we have.
(08-27-2011, 03:48 PM)zenmaster Wrote: The 'temper-tantrum idea' and idea of being 'upset' is allowed through your dishonesty, as these are your projections. Any agreement or disagreement with my point of view, or my expression of satisfaction is irrelevant unless you really need some kind of confirmation of your own biases. Those that are honestly expressing their feelings and opinions are of course the 'victims' in your drama. Gotta love it.
come on. you dont need to put the phrase 'temper-tantrum idea' in quotes. as with every time we went through a mayan night peak point like in the recent months, you again went increasingly fiery and aggressive in your manners towards whatever you were arguing against as the mayan night peak yesterday approached, and your sarcasm went to its peaks. this time main focus was calleman. every mayan night's peak period, you have exhibited similar escalation. and curiously, i had had explicitly mentioned this before in the earlier mayan night, telling that you tended to become aggressive and quick tempered etc in mayan night peaks. and voila, here we are again, just past the peak of another mayan night by only 1 day, and you have been raving from ambiguous to charlatan about calleman in the last few days. i have been meaning to state this in the last 2-3 days. better late than never. granted, your attitude towards the participants have been much milder in this mayan night peak.
for someone who is totally denying any possibility of truth behind mayan calendar, you sure are getting affected from it a lot.