The Confederation

[Quantum]

As such there is no chance imho that it (the LOO or bring4th) will ever become a doctrine, nor that we need be concerned for the new reader on this forum with it's many opinions.

Provided there is a lively exchange with different opinions offered, I would agree. I saw many instances of opinion being expressed as though fact, to which I offered alternative viewpoints.

But there is lively exchange, and there is lively discussion. Why the concern for something that is, as if though it may not be? As such, to your point, there is no chance imho opinion of this forum or the LOO ever becoming a doctrine, as inevitable or otherwise as suggested, even remotely so, and thus astronomically impossible.

As for "opinions" being misconstrued as though "fact": I know far less than about that which I do know. But I do know I know nothing with respect to that which is mystery. Would that I could take solace in the fact that I know I know equally with certainty that no one alive also knows anything as fact with respect to mystery as well. We are all seekers more than knowers. If we knew we could dispense with the seeking. Therefore all that is poised, posed, posited, and postulated is under opinion and question only.

As for myself I often assume the classic position of following a train of thought by way of a course of logical deduction vs induction. I assure you without knowing, that "Don knew some things" yet "did not know others". I can not crawl between his ears or into his mind to know this, but feel most confident that the gist of my statements were near to accurate enough to suggest "he knew some things" while "not knowing others", this without the need of knowing what he knew or knowing what he didn't know. Case in point:

Firstly:Many of the things Don asked were on many things Don was already "aware of" or knew for himself with certainty, which however Ra refused to answer.....or....Ra spoke to things Don "knew nothing of", or even at first disbelieved in, yet answers and information were given, verses Ra refused to speak of things Don in fact did know of, [b]or "intuitively was aware of".[/b]

Many? Such as? Can you provide a few examples?

Of course not. How might I possibly know what Don knew? How might I possibly know what Don didn't know. My positing these assumptions however may stand on their own merit, if not by fact, then by speculation. This is abundantly obvious. It is irrelevant as a point of evidence where none exists while yet marvelously open as a case for conjecture as to "what constitutes infringement of free will". This "was and is" the question and discussion, verses "what I know Don did or didn't know". One needn't know what Don didn't know to postulate that that certain things might have not been known but that Ra spoke to them in any event. The questions your asking seem pedantic, but also steer away from the point as to the original question with respect to "what constitutes infringement on free will" and that this is "the only" single reason that Ra might have been reticent to answer some questions. I have suggested that there may be more at play than this single answer. That is the gist of my speculation vs what Don did or didn't know, that I can not know.

By the way, Quantum, what do you think of my suggestion that Oahspe was passed because of its service to the STS community? Since you've read the book, I am interested in your opinion on this. I think my idea offers a valid possibility as to the whole point of this thread, so I am puzzled as to why you haven't addressed my direct question.

This is a most interesting question. I am left to ask more questions before speculating on answers. Your primary question was:

Could Oahspe have passed for the purpose of teaching STS entities? Now there's a thought! Does the Council 'pass' STS missions or only STO missions?

If memory serves, I believe it was either Gary or Steve that offered a brilliant LOO posting vis-a-vis Ra as an answer to very much this same question of sorts in the past under a different thread and post having to do with STS. If memory further serves it may have been a post that 3D Sunset began (forgive me dear friend if it was not you). I believe the short answer was "not likely" in as much as it would not be efficient for STO to serve STS. I am very much in agreement to my memory (lol) of the general answer as posted by Gary or Steve by way of Ra (forgive me guys for giving either of you credit if incorrect as well) such that it is not likely that STS missions are approved or assisted by the Council, in as much as the Council has it's counterpart called the "Orion Group" who presumably need no help from their STO brethren in their STS mission, as well as such assistance being counter-productive to STO in any event. Ra offered that they found it humorous for the L/L group to offer the STS entity pestering them any form of love or assistance through love (which is service), given that the STS pest would have been less than happy at their loving service offered and would have as likely shunned it or rebuked it. Thus, it is highly unlikely that the Council, would by inference, also indulge in such humorous attempts. For those of you out there that are quicker at these abominable searches, please do assist in finding the response given by Ra, or Gary/Steve, if any remembers. If it was in the "Hidden Hand" thread by 3D Sunset, then the post is lost to posterity, but not the Ra quote. If it is buried elsewhere it would serve well here.

Please see below for the Ra information as regards the Council and the "Orion Group"

Questioner: I have a question about that Council. Who are the members, and how does the Council function?

Ra: I am Ra. The members of the Council are representatives from the Confederation and from those vibratory levels of your inner planes bearing responsibility for your third density. The names are not important because there are no names. Your mind/body/spirit complexes request names and so, in many cases, the vibratory sound complexes which are consonant with the vibratory distortions of each entity are used. However, the name concept is not part of the Council. If names are requested, we will attempt them. However, not all have chosen names.

In number, the Council that sits in constant session, though varying in its members by means of balancing, which takes place, what you would call irregularly, is nine. That is the Session Council. To back up this Council, there are twenty-four entities which offer their services as requested. These entities faithfully watch and have been called Guardians.

The Council operates by means of, what you would call, telepathic contact with the oneness or unity of the nine, the distortions blending harmoniously so that the Law of One prevails with ease. When a need for thought is present, the Council retains the distortion-complex of this need, balancing it as described, and then recommends what it considers as appropriate action. This includes: One, the duty of admitting social memory complexes to the Confederation; Two, offering aid to those who are unsure how to aid the social memory complex requesting aid in a way consonant with both the call, the Law, and the number of those calling (that is to say, sometimes the resistance of the call); Three, internal questions in the Council are determined.

These are the prominent duties of the Council. They are, if in any doubt, able to contact the twenty-four who then offer consensus/judgment/thinking to the Council. The Council then may reconsider any question.

Questioner: What is the density of the Orion group?

Ra: I am Ra. Like the Confederation, the densities of the mass consciousnesses which comprise that group are varied. There are a very few third density, a larger number of fourth density, a similarly large number of fifth density, and very few sixth-density entities comprising this organization. Their numbers are perhaps one-tenth ours at any point in the space/time continuum as the problem of spiritual entropy causes them to experience constant disintegration of their social memory complexes. Their power is the same as ours. The Law of One blinks neither at the light nor the darkness, but is available for service to others and service to self. However, service to others results in service to self, thus preserving and further harmonizing the distortions of those entities seeking intelligent infinity through these disciplines.

Those seeking intelligent infinity through the use of service to self create the same amount of power but, as we said, have constant difficulty because of the concept of separation which is implicit in the manifestations of the service to self which involve power over others. This weakens and eventually disintegrates the energy collected by such mind/body/spirit complexes who call the Orion group and the social memory complexes which comprise the Orion group.

It should be noted, carefully pondered, and accepted, that the Law of One is available to any social memory complex which has decided to strive together for any seeking of purpose, be it service to others or service to self. The laws, which are the primal distortions of the Law of One, then are placed into operation and the illusion of space/time is used as a medium for the development of the results of those choices freely made. Thus all entities learn, no matter what they seek. All learn the same, some rapidly, some slowly.

Wonderful speculation Monica. With the LOO information as given, it leaves us back at square one as regards the Oahspe question: what were the Council up to otherwise, if we table the infringement on free will assumption for the moment, which for the reasons cited does not always hold water.

Q