08-22-2011, 03:58 PM
(This post was last modified: 08-22-2011, 04:00 PM by Bring4th_Austin.)
I've been wanting to make this topic for a while, never had time...glad you did this. Very helpful.
Edit note: it seems that, near the end, you plucked some questions out of context of session 69. You made some conclusions based on a misunderstanding of the questions. It has to do with the discussions of Wanderers tricked into entering negative time/space. I tried my best to clear things up.
Ra seems to use the terms dimension and density rather interganibly throughout the material. It can be confusing
Ra explains that there is a difference between mind/body/spirit and mind/body/spirit complex, the latter becoming complex due to the veil. I'm not sure about 1D, but 2D entities have mind/body, and 2D is working towards developing a spirit to become a mind/body/spirit complex. This is talked about discussing the L&L cat, Gandalf. In the incarnation where a 2D entity gains self-awareness and becomes harvestable, it develops spirit.
This question holds no sway regarding the simultaneous nature of existence. Time is only an illusion, and all things exist in true simultaneity. So there is no time "before" the totality, or "before" the Higher Self. Terming the Higher Self a "future self" is, in my opinion, an oversimplification for us trapped in an illusion of time.
This is a good question, as Ra says that not every entity will graduate all densities, and since the totality comes into being in 7D, and Higher Self in 6D, I would assume that an entity would have to have the chance to reach full evolution of the mind/body/spirit in order to have a Higher Self. Tricky...
I think the key to this is Ra's statement, "which are in truth one self at the same time/space." I think the "time in the past in which it did not appear to be existing simultaneously" would simply be from our perspective of time. We have access to the Higher Self, so it exists simultaneously, but in our view of time, it is from the future...the nature of our view of the future does not comply with the nature of simultaneity.
I would guess that if an entity has the potential to reach 7D, as we know many possibility/probability vortices exist for every bit of existence, that entity would have a Higher Self. An even wilder guess is that, if an entity reaches 3D, they possess that potential. Graduation from 2D to 3D seems to be a big, difficult step. But once one has awareness of self, I'd imagine the possibilities explode.
While at the same time, the Higher Self knows just enough to get an entity to the point of achieving the same development the Higher Self exists with.
Again, I feel like it is simply the potential of an entity to reach 7D which would produce a Higher Self. And, again, my personal guess is that this potential is reach graduation to 3D from 2D.
It is inevitable that an STS entity will make the switch to STO in 6D, thus being able to create a Higher Self for that entity. However, two questions later Ra points out something very important:
It seems that STS entities, if Himmler is a decent example of most STS entities, simply choose not to use guidance. So the Higher Self is sort of pointless to a negative entity.
Even if Ra didn't, I think the fact that they did not correct Don is a decent indicator that it is a true statement.
I don't think that the manipulation they are talking about is the type you are talking about. The question stemmed from Don asking about the trance state Carla was in, and the dangers involved. Apparently, in this state, it is easy to be "tricked" by a negative entity and be placed into negative time/space. The question was simply to clarify that this type of trickery was not possible upon death. I don't think they're referring to gullibility as you speak of it.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but I think you have misunderstood the conversation out of context of the material. They are not referring to all Wanderers, only a particular Wanderer who was tricked and placed into negative time/space. The question right before this:
Wanderers on Earth are NOT in negative space/time.
Again, this is after being placed in negative time/space and incarnating into negative space/time. They must learn STS because they're in an STS environment, and must develop as such.
Again from the misunderstanding...we are not in prison! Wanderers tricked into entering time/space are in "prison."
This clears up the earlier confusions. You'll find in the material that Ra says that post-veil 3D entities have mind/body/spirit complexes.
I think there was a lot stemmed from a misunderstanding of some questions taken out of context for you. Not all Wanderers are in negative time/space, only the ones who have been tricked. And you can not imprison a Wanderer against their will...this question clears it up.
Edit note: it seems that, near the end, you plucked some questions out of context of session 69. You made some conclusions based on a misunderstanding of the questions. It has to do with the discussions of Wanderers tricked into entering negative time/space. I tried my best to clear things up.
(08-22-2011, 01:10 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Here are some quotes I plucked out of a search for the phrase "Higher Self". I will follow each quote with some preliminary thoughts and ramblings. Would like to hear thoughts from others as well.
36.1 Wrote:Questioner: In previous communications you have spoken of the mind/body/spirit complex totality. Would you please give us a definition of the mind/body/spirit complex totality?
Ra: I am Ra. There is a dimension in which time does not have sway. In this dimension, the mind/body/spirit in its eternal dance of the present may be seen in totality, and before the mind/body/spirit complex which then becomes a part of the social memory complex is willingly absorbed into the allness of the One Creator, the entity knows itself in its totality.
This mind/body/spirit complex totality functions as, shall we say, a resource for what you perhaps would call the Higher Self. The Higher Self, in turn, is a resource for examining the distillations of third-density experience and programming further experience. This is also true of densities four, five, and six with the mind/body/spirit complex totality coming into consciousness in the course of seventh density.
Here is the introduction of Higher Self into the material. Note the term was offered by Ra without having been used in the query. Moreover, the term was introduced in a response to a query for a definition of another term offered by Ra: "mind/body/spirit complex totality". So Ra is throwing out new terminology all over the place! Not to mention there are already so many conceptions out there of what the "Higher Self" is.
Ra says that there is a "dimension" where time does not hold sway. Dimension, not density.
Ra seems to use the terms dimension and density rather interganibly throughout the material. It can be confusing
Tenet Nosce Wrote:A query that comes to mind is: "Are all entities in third density in possession of the mind/body/spirit complex, and if so, how could one discern between those who do and those who do not?" What is Ra talking about here? Do rocks, plants, and animals have mind/body/spirit complexes? Are humans the only ones? Do all humans have mind/body/spirit complexes?
Ra explains that there is a difference between mind/body/spirit and mind/body/spirit complex, the latter becoming complex due to the veil. I'm not sure about 1D, but 2D entities have mind/body, and 2D is working towards developing a spirit to become a mind/body/spirit complex. This is talked about discussing the L&L cat, Gandalf. In the incarnation where a 2D entity gains self-awareness and becomes harvestable, it develops spirit.
Tenet Nosce Wrote:Now, here is another interesting thing: the mind/body/spirit complex totality comes into consciousness in the course of seventh density. So in developmental terms, we can envision a time "before" the mind/body/spirit complex totality comes into consciousness as one devoid of access to the Higher Self by any entities, whatsoever.
This question holds no sway regarding the simultaneous nature of existence. Time is only an illusion, and all things exist in true simultaneity. So there is no time "before" the totality, or "before" the Higher Self. Terming the Higher Self a "future self" is, in my opinion, an oversimplification for us trapped in an illusion of time.
Tenet Nosce Wrote:36.2 Wrote:Questioner: Then would the mind/body/spirit complex totality be responsible for programming changes in catalyst during a third-density experience of the mind/body/spirit complex so that the proper catalyst would be added, shall we say, as conditions for the complex changed during third-density experience?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The Higher Self, as you call it, that is, that self which exists with full understanding of the accumulation of experiences of the entity, aids the entity in achieving healing of the experiences which have not been learned properly and assists as you have indicated in further life experience programming, as you may call it.
The mind/body/spirit complex totality is that which may be called upon by the Higher Self aspect just as the mind/body/spirit complex calls upon the Higher Self. In the one case you have a structured situation within the space/time continuum with the Higher Self having available to it the totality of experiences which have been collected by an entity and a very firm grasp of the lessons to be learned in this density.
The mind/body/spirit complex totality is as the shifting sands and is in some part a collection of parallel developments of the same entity. This information is made available to the Higher Self aspect. This aspect may then use these projected probability/possibility vortices in order to better aid in what you would call future life programming.
Here we have one of a handful of examples where Ra comes out and says, "This is incorrect." Ra explains that the entity has access to the Higher Self, and the Higher Self has access to the mind/body/spirit complex totality. Again, do all entities have a Higher Self? If not, can entities who don't have a Higher Self get one? How?
This is a good question, as Ra says that not every entity will graduate all densities, and since the totality comes into being in 7D, and Higher Self in 6D, I would assume that an entity would have to have the chance to reach full evolution of the mind/body/spirit in order to have a Higher Self. Tricky...
Tenet Nosce Wrote:36.5 Wrote:Questioner: Could you give an example of how this programming by the Higher Self would then bring about education through parallel experiences?
Ra: I am Ra. Perhaps the simplest example of this apparent simultaneity of existence of two selves, which are in truth one self at the same time/space, is this: the Oversoul, as you call it, or Higher Self, seems to exist simultaneously with the mind/body/spirit complex which it aids. This is not actually simultaneous, for the Higher Self is moving to the mind/body/spirit complex as needed from a position in development of the entity which would be considered in the future of this entity.
So the Higher Self appears to be existing simultaneously for us, but it is actually from the future. So this means there was a time in the past in which it did not appear to be existing simultaneously. This leads me to wonder if the transition point is something that is passed through by an entire species at once, or individually. Meaning... if one human has access to the Higher Self, do all humans have access to the Higher Self? If not, what must a human do to gain access to the Higher Self? Is it possible for everybody?
I think the key to this is Ra's statement, "which are in truth one self at the same time/space." I think the "time in the past in which it did not appear to be existing simultaneously" would simply be from our perspective of time. We have access to the Higher Self, so it exists simultaneously, but in our view of time, it is from the future...the nature of our view of the future does not comply with the nature of simultaneity.
I would guess that if an entity has the potential to reach 7D, as we know many possibility/probability vortices exist for every bit of existence, that entity would have a Higher Self. An even wilder guess is that, if an entity reaches 3D, they possess that potential. Graduation from 2D to 3D seems to be a big, difficult step. But once one has awareness of self, I'd imagine the possibilities explode.
Tenet Nosce Wrote:36.7 Wrote:Questioner: In that case my Higher Self would have a very large advantage in knowing what was needed since it would know, as far as I am concerned, what was going to happen. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect, in that this would be an abrogation of free will. The Higher Self aspect is aware of the lessons learned through the sixth-density. The progress rate is fairly well understood. The choices which must be made to achieve the Higher Self as it is are in the provenance of the mind/body/spirit complex itself.
Thus the Higher Self is like the map in which the destination is known; the roads are very well known, these roads being designed by intelligent infinity working through intelligent energy. However, the Higher Self aspect can program only for the lessons and certain predisposing limitations if it wishes. The remainder is completely the free choice of each entity. There is the perfect balance between the known and the unknown.
Again, Ra makes a correction. Also, highly significant that Ra is saying that even to a sixth density entity certain things are unknown.
While at the same time, the Higher Self knows just enough to get an entity to the point of achieving the same development the Higher Self exists with.
Tenet Nosce Wrote:36.8 Wrote:Questioner: I’m sorry for having so much trouble with these concepts, but they are very difficult I am sure to translate into our understanding and language. Some of my questions may be rather ridiculous, but does this Higher Self have some type of vehicle like our physical vehicle? Does it have a bodily complex?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The Higher Self is of a certain advancement within sixth-density going into the seventh. After the seventh has been well entered the mind/body/spirit complex becomes so totally a mind/body/spirit complex totality that it begins to gather spiritual mass and approach the octave density. Thus the looking backwards is finished at that point.
A bit redundant, but again Ra is pointing out that the Higher Self is an advancement, or an achievement, implying that it hasn't always existed. It is then something that must be created by an entity?
Again, I feel like it is simply the potential of an entity to reach 7D which would produce a Higher Self. And, again, my personal guess is that this potential is reach graduation to 3D from 2D.
Tenet Nosce Wrote:36.12 Wrote:Questioner: Let me take as an example the one that you said was called Himmler. We are assuming from this that his Higher Self was of the sixth-density and it was stated that Himmler had selected the negative path. Would his Higher Self then dwell in a sixth-density negative type of situation? Can you expand on this concept?
Ra: I am Ra. There are no negative beings which have attained the Oversoul manifestation, which is the honor/duty of the mind/body/spirit complex totality, of late sixth-density as you would term it in your time measurements. These negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complexes have a difficulty which to our knowledge has never been overcome, for after fifth-density graduation wisdom is available but must be matched with an equal amount of love. This love/light is very, very difficult to achieve in unity when following the negative path and during the earlier part of the sixth-density, society complexes of the negative orientation will choose to release the potential and leap into the sixth-density positive.
Therefore, the Oversoul which makes its understanding available to all who are ready for such aid is towards the positive. However, the free will of the individual is paramount, and any guidance given by the Higher Self may be seen in either the positive or negative polarity depending upon the choice of a mind/body/spirit complex.
So no negative beings have achieved the Oversoul or Higher Self manifestation, however guidance from the Higher Self may be seen in either the positive or negative polarity. OK, I have no idea what that means.
I do like the part about taking the leap into sixth density positive. It makes me wonder who might be taking such a leap right now! Also, this quote seems to imply that there is such a thing as sixth density negative, though it would appear to be quite sparsely populated.
It is inevitable that an STS entity will make the switch to STO in 6D, thus being able to create a Higher Self for that entity. However, two questions later Ra points out something very important:
Quote:36.14 Questioner: Was Himmler in any way in contact with his Higher Self at that time when he was incarnate during the 1940s?
Ra: I am Ra. We remind you that the negative path is one of separation. What is the first separation: the self from the self. The one known as Himmler did not choose to use its abilities of will and polarization to seek guidance from any source but its conscious drives, self-chosen in the life experience and nourished by previous biases created in other life experiences
It seems that STS entities, if Himmler is a decent example of most STS entities, simply choose not to use guidance. So the Higher Self is sort of pointless to a negative entity.
Tenet Nosce Wrote:37.6 Wrote:Questioner: You said that each third-density entity has an Higher Self in the sixth-density which is moving to the mind/body/spirit complex of the entity as needed. Does this Higher Self also evolve in growth through the densities beginning with the first-density, and does each Higher Self have a corresponding Higher Self advanced in densities beyond it?
Ra: I am Ra. To simplify this concept is our intent. The Higher Self is a manifestation given to the late sixth-density mind/body/spirit complex as a gift from its future selfness. The mid-seventh density’s last action before turning towards the allness of the Creator and gaining spiritual mass is to give this resource to the sixth-density self, moving as you measure time in the stream of time.
This self, the mind/body/spirit complex of late sixth-density, has then the honor/duty of using both the experiences of its total living bank of memory of experience, thoughts, and actions, and using the resource of the mind/body/spirit complex totality left behind as a type of infinitely complex thought-form.
In this way you may see your self, your Higher Self or Oversoul, and your mind/body/spirit complex totality as three points in a circle. The only distinction is that of your time/space continuum. All are the same being.
Wait. The Questioner said that Ra said that each 3D entity has a Higher Self. Where did Ra say that?
Even if Ra didn't, I think the fact that they did not correct Don is a decent indicator that it is a true statement.
Tenet Nosce Wrote:69.4 Wrote:Questioner: Do I understand, then, that death, whether it is by natural means or accidental means or suicide, that all deaths of this type would create the same after-death condition which would avail the entity to its protection from friends? Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. We presume you mean to inquire whether in the death experience, no matter what the cause, the negative friends are not able to remove an entity. This is correct largely because the entity without the attachment to the space/time physical complex is far more aware and without the gullibility which is somewhat the hallmark of those who love wholeheartedly.
However, the death, if natural, would undoubtedly be the more harmonious; the death by murder being confused and the entity needing some time/space in which to get its bearings, so to speak; the death by suicide causing the necessity for much healing work and, shall we say, the making of a dedication to the third-density for the renewed opportunity of learning the lessons set by the Higher Self.
Here I note Don speaks of suicide. Also now he knows that suicide causes the necessity for "much healing work". So Don either forgot this, did not believe it, or didn't care, when he decided to take his own life.
Also I note that Ra offers gullibility as the hallmark of those who love wholeheartedly, and suggests that it is much more difficult for negative beings to manipulate those on the other side of the veil. Two intriguing points to ponder. What does this mean for Wanderer's who- due to their inability to penetrate the veil- become gullible. Might a negative being attempt to manipulate such a Wanderer through relationships with others that are not willing/capable of spiritual love?
I don't think that the manipulation they are talking about is the type you are talking about. The question stemmed from Don asking about the trance state Carla was in, and the dangers involved. Apparently, in this state, it is easy to be "tricked" by a negative entity and be placed into negative time/space. The question was simply to clarify that this type of trickery was not possible upon death. I don't think they're referring to gullibility as you speak of it.
Tenet Nosce Wrote:69.9 Wrote:Questioner: Can you tell me the situation that the Wanderer finds himself in and the path back, why that path could not be the simple moving back into positive time/space?
Ra: I am Ra. The path back revolves, firstly, about the Higher Self’s reluctance to enter negative space/time. This may be a significant part of the length of that path. Secondly, when a positively oriented entity incarnates in a thoroughly negative environment it must needs learn/teach the lessons of the love of self thus becoming one with its other-selves.
When this has been accomplished the entity may then choose to release the potential difference and change polarities.
However, the process of learning the accumulated lessons of love of self may be quite lengthy. Also the entity, in learning these lessons, may lose much positive orientation during the process and the choice of reversing polarities may be delayed until the mid-sixth-density. All of this is, in your way of measurement, time-consuming although the end result is well.
Excellent quote on the Wanderer's path. Note that Wanderer's are in negative space/time. I repeat, negative space/time. Not only is it negative, but it is thoroughly negative.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but I think you have misunderstood the conversation out of context of the material. They are not referring to all Wanderers, only a particular Wanderer who was tricked and placed into negative time/space. The question right before this:
Quote:69.8 Questioner: Has a Wanderer ever been so infringed upon by a negative adept and then placed in negative time/space?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.
Wanderers on Earth are NOT in negative space/time.
Tenet Nosce Wrote:Also Ra says that the primary lesson for Wanderer's to learn is love of self. Ra does NOT say that the primary lesson for Wanderer's is to learn to love and accept others, no matter how much of an energy drain they are. If another person does not have access to the Higher Self, what purpose would the Wanderer serve by allowing them to remain in close proximity?
Again, this is after being placed in negative time/space and incarnating into negative space/time. They must learn STS because they're in an STS environment, and must develop as such.
Tenet Nosce Wrote:70.7 Wrote:Questioner: Why is the Higher Self reluctant to enter negative time/space?
Ra: I am Ra. The Higher Self is reluctant to allow its mind/body/spirit complex to enter negative time/space for the same basic reason an entity of your societal complex would be reluctant to enter a prison.
We are in a prison, folks! Painting the walls and planting some trees might make the prison more beautiful, but it is still a prison. We are not free to "create our own reality" as we see fit. At least, that's my takeaway.
Again from the misunderstanding...we are not in prison! Wanderers tricked into entering time/space are in "prison."
Tenet Nosce Wrote:70.10 Wrote:Questioner: Am I correct in assuming that all of the mind/body/spirit complexes that exist below levels of mid-sixth-density have a Higher Self at the level of mid-sixth-density? Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.
All mind/body/spirit complexes have Higher Selves. But not all entities have mind/body/spirit complexes. Who is who?
This clears up the earlier confusions. You'll find in the material that Ra says that post-veil 3D entities have mind/body/spirit complexes.
Tenet Nosce Wrote:70.14 Wrote:Questioner: Oh yes. Sorry about that. It slipped my mind. Now, if a positive entity is displaced to negative time/space I understand that the Higher Self is reluctant to enter the negative time/space. For some reason it makes it necessary for the mind/body/spirit complex to incarnate in negative space/time. Why is it necessary for this incarnation in negative space/time?
Ra: I am Ra. Firstly, let us remove the concept of reluctance from the equation and then secondly, address your query more to the point. Each time/space is an analog of a particular sort or vibration of space/time. When a negative time/space is entered by an entity the next experience will be that of the appropriate space/time. This is normally done by the form-making body of a mind/body/spirit complex which places the entity in the proper time/space for incarnation.
Interesting. So if Wanderer's find themselves in a negative space/time, then on another level they must have entered a negative time/space. Sounds like the Wanderer's are imprisoned. But can you really imprison a Wanderer against their will? If so, how? Why? Is the Wanderer even meant to break out of the prison? Or simply to serve their sentence then leave?
I think there was a lot stemmed from a misunderstanding of some questions taken out of context for you. Not all Wanderers are in negative time/space, only the ones who have been tricked. And you can not imprison a Wanderer against their will...this question clears it up.
Quote:69.15 Questioner: This is a point that I find quite confusing to me.
It is the function of the free will of the positively oriented entity to move into the negatively polarized time/space. However, it is also a function of his lack of understanding of what he is doing. I am sure that if the entity had full understanding of what he was doing he would not do it. It is a function of his negatively polarized other-self creating a situation where he is lured to that configuration. What is the principle with respect to the first distortion that allows this to occur since we have two portions of the Creator, each of equal value or of equal potential, but oppositely polarized and we have this situation resulting. Could you tell me the philosophical principle behind this particular act?
Ra: I am Ra. There are two important points in this regard. Firstly, we may note the situation wherein an entity gets a road-map which is poorly marked and in fact is quite incorrect. The entity sets out to its destination. It wishes only to reach the point of destination but, becoming confused by the faulty authority and not knowing the territory through which it drives, it becomes hopelessly lost.
Free will does not mean that there will be no circumstances when calculations will be awry. This is so in all aspects of the life experience. Although there are no mistakes, there are surprises.
Secondly, that which we and you do in workings such as this carries a magical charge, if you would use this much misunderstood term, perhaps we may say a metaphysical power. Those who do work of power are available for communication to and from entities of roughly similar power. It is fortunate that the Orion entity does not have the native power of this group. However, it is quite disciplined whereas this group lacks the finesse equivalent to its power. Each is working in consciousness but the group has not begun a work as a group. The individual work is helpful for the group is mutually an aid, one to another.
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