So, what does penetrating the veil truly entail?

[3DMonkey]

Going through a state of being with the veil in order to achieve the state of being without the veil. Is this the purpose of the veil?

I think that purposes of the veil are multiple. Ra mentioned that before the veil people (with all the answers in their 'hands' so to speak) still wouldn't polarise, since who would want to leave the edenic living conditions, and so the 3rd density was taking way too long time. They also made an analogy of the veil being like a hidden hand in a poker game, and winning that game is only possible by putting all your cards on the table (meaning among other things unveiling your hand?). Love this analogy! And now Q'uo mention this, among other things that fear is an useful component to this experience. I think that all of these answers can be valid, or 'right', simultaneously, and there are probably more to it as well. There is no one 'right' answer, but several.

I do like the poker analogy too. But why polarization at all with no veil? Why did Q'uo suggest a "correct decision" when Ra says there is no right or wrong? Q'uo also suggests that fear is our friend because is makes us release ourselves to accept someone's will other than our own.... so what is all the "use of the will by the adept" all about? Q'uo also suggests that any attempt to control our Self is to revert to fear.. is to follow the negative path--- but so many members here tell me that we must "balance" our control of our self... that too much release is detrimental... but isn't that fear? ... So, please tell me again, why the veil? What purpose does it serve? To give us what we already had before incarnation? I say this makes no sense.... unless there is ulterior motive.

What I believe is that the veil isn't a tool, isn't a motivator, isn't a benefit. I believe the veil is just a part of being human, something that makes us all galactic dumbasses, stupid humans that can't even figure out how to bend time and travel through space. (Let's blow it up and see what happens. We never die anyway, right? facetious)

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Nobody in their right mind would choose to step into a veiled existence to get back to the unveiled existence they are leaving- that makes no sense.

Speak for yourself.

Um, that is all I ever do. Would you, zenmaster, living without a veil whatsoever, choose to live a veiled life that only serves the purpose of trapping you until one odd day you get to return to the very same place you were at in the non-veiled state? (it is the same place, mind you, no veil, no discrepancies)

Where do you get this concept of same place?

If, having no veil, we have full access to the unconscious (I'm assuming the full unconscious of the Total Self, the Self that has achieved 1D thru 6D) then this access would be never changing. No?