08-18-2009, 11:40 PM
(This post was last modified: 08-26-2009, 04:12 PM by Steppingfeet.)
Really enjoying this thread. Thanks to everyone who has contributed.
Hello Hkelukka. From the largest perspective available to my thinking mind, I agree entirely and unequivocally with your statement that there is no "better than" when it comes to polarity. In fact, as you mention above, the introduction of the experiment with the veil of forgetting, resulting in the unanticipated “service to self” polarity, aided the One to bring to fruition and make more efficient its original design of spiritual evolution through a curriculum of densities. As Ra says, our experience is more “vivid” as a result.
However, as an entity of the positive polarity, an entity whose thinking falls within the realm of ranking things using terms such as "better" and "worse", I cannot help but think that the positive polarity is the superior of the two.
Recognizing my judgment of "better" to have meaning and applicability only within the domain of my relative and subjective experience, I nonetheless feel it the better polarity for reasons such as: it is this polarity that partakes of the Creator with decreasingly less illusion, the polarity that seeks to honor and become what already IS, and the polarity which, as exemplified in your own post, seeks to allow others to be as they are. It is a path of radiating endless rays of healing and melting love, of shining clarity and light where before there was confusion and darkness; a path of embracing all and abhorring none; a path of becoming who you already are.
As you know, the negative polarity knows no such beauty, no such fulfillment, no such meaning and joy bigger than the boundaries of the negative entity. A path of pain and darkness for the self, it is predicated on that which is not and inevitably creates pain and darkness for others.
I grok that the Law of One blinks neither the light nor the dark but is available for both polarities and that polarity, like everything else we perceive, does not really exist. As Ra says, every iota contains (as in the hologram) the one infinite creator. Those of the negative polarity therefore are no less Creator than those of the positive, and ultimately serve the beneficent purpose of being catalyst for the development of will and faith, yet I cannot see the equality of their path with the positive because they choose to see a partial, fragmented, and distorted truth, that being that the Creator exists only within themselves.
So what I am saying is that I simultaneously agree and disagree with you. : )
My understanding is congruent with your own here, but I believe that 3D Sunset is not talking about forcibly reorienting the desires of the planetary population, rather he is seeking to create an atmosphere, so to speak, within which more of the Creator's truth is open and apparent so that all upon this planet might together desire what is already here.
That would be the hope at any rate. The key principle which makes this an action in alignment with the positive polarity is the non-attachment to any specific outcome in rendering this action. The positive entity can offer this type of service with this type of hope but can let the cards fall where they may with gratitude for any and all outcomes.
Negative philosophy operates with promises of a better future and will justify any and all means, including violent ones, to secure that future. Positive philosophy, at its purest, makes its best effort but accepts, in terms of non-resistance and unstinting love, that which is.
I believe that this passage from Session 17 of Book I that Lavazza quoted in another thread gets to the heart of what it means to serve others by means of creating an atmosphere within which those others may make their choice.
I may be misunderstanding 3D Sunset, but I don’t believe he is promoting a “conversion” of those of service to self orientation to service to others orientation. Rather he is advocating for the creation of a planetary-wide atmosphere whose substance consists more fully of positive understanding and positive energies.
Entities experiencing such an atmosphere (in which darkness decreases in direct proportion to the increase of light) could, if they still chose, retain their polarity. Ra mentioned in the Law of One books that polarizing negatively in an extremely positive atmosphere, while difficult, is not impossible. (Not true in the converse, unfortunately.)
What do you think?
I think that one of the key principles differentiating positive and negative approaches to life is witnessed in their respective understandings of the concept of free will. The positive polarity's efforts are directed towards the atmosphere or environment of an entity such that free will be preserved and the entity be given new opportunities of choice. The negative polarity seeks to control not only the atmosphere but the other-self altogether.
Thusly do I not entirely agree with your statement that this type of hope - and the work that results from that hope - is categorically an infringement upon the will of those seeking the path of the negative polarity. To work towards a unified service-to-others harvest does not necessarily contain seeds of negative thought, though with just the slightest twist it certainly can, of course.
Hkelukka, if you have more to share and it is on topic and within the guidelines, you will not be “infringing” on any one’s vision! Please do share if you see cause to share.
Love and Light,
GLB
Hkelukka Wrote:Love of self is also love, choice to love self is a free will choice. The choice to choose an STO path, to help others is inherently no better than a choice to choose an STS path, all being essentially one and polarization being a tool for the greater whole to study itself more efficiently.
Hello Hkelukka. From the largest perspective available to my thinking mind, I agree entirely and unequivocally with your statement that there is no "better than" when it comes to polarity. In fact, as you mention above, the introduction of the experiment with the veil of forgetting, resulting in the unanticipated “service to self” polarity, aided the One to bring to fruition and make more efficient its original design of spiritual evolution through a curriculum of densities. As Ra says, our experience is more “vivid” as a result.
However, as an entity of the positive polarity, an entity whose thinking falls within the realm of ranking things using terms such as "better" and "worse", I cannot help but think that the positive polarity is the superior of the two.
Recognizing my judgment of "better" to have meaning and applicability only within the domain of my relative and subjective experience, I nonetheless feel it the better polarity for reasons such as: it is this polarity that partakes of the Creator with decreasingly less illusion, the polarity that seeks to honor and become what already IS, and the polarity which, as exemplified in your own post, seeks to allow others to be as they are. It is a path of radiating endless rays of healing and melting love, of shining clarity and light where before there was confusion and darkness; a path of embracing all and abhorring none; a path of becoming who you already are.
As you know, the negative polarity knows no such beauty, no such fulfillment, no such meaning and joy bigger than the boundaries of the negative entity. A path of pain and darkness for the self, it is predicated on that which is not and inevitably creates pain and darkness for others.
I grok that the Law of One blinks neither the light nor the dark but is available for both polarities and that polarity, like everything else we perceive, does not really exist. As Ra says, every iota contains (as in the hologram) the one infinite creator. Those of the negative polarity therefore are no less Creator than those of the positive, and ultimately serve the beneficent purpose of being catalyst for the development of will and faith, yet I cannot see the equality of their path with the positive because they choose to see a partial, fragmented, and distorted truth, that being that the Creator exists only within themselves.
So what I am saying is that I simultaneously agree and disagree with you. : )
Hkelukka Wrote:Thus the very reason for an entire planet to polarize towards STO or STS needs to be, as far as i see, in the desire of the people on the planet.
My understanding is congruent with your own here, but I believe that 3D Sunset is not talking about forcibly reorienting the desires of the planetary population, rather he is seeking to create an atmosphere, so to speak, within which more of the Creator's truth is open and apparent so that all upon this planet might together desire what is already here.
That would be the hope at any rate. The key principle which makes this an action in alignment with the positive polarity is the non-attachment to any specific outcome in rendering this action. The positive entity can offer this type of service with this type of hope but can let the cards fall where they may with gratitude for any and all outcomes.
Negative philosophy operates with promises of a better future and will justify any and all means, including violent ones, to secure that future. Positive philosophy, at its purest, makes its best effort but accepts, in terms of non-resistance and unstinting love, that which is.
I believe that this passage from Session 17 of Book I that Lavazza quoted in another thread gets to the heart of what it means to serve others by means of creating an atmosphere within which those others may make their choice.
Quote:Session 17
Questioner: Is it possible by the use of some technique or other to help an entity to reach fourth-density level in these last days?
Ra: I am Ra. It is impossible to help another being directly. It is only possible to make catalyst available in whatever form, the most important being the radiation of realization of oneness with the Creator from the self, less important being information such as we share with you.
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We cannot offer shortcuts to enlightenment. Enlightenment is, of the moment, an opening to intelligent infinity. It can only be accomplished by the self, for the self. Another self cannot teach/learn enlightenment, but only teach/learn information, inspiration, or a sharing of love, of mystery, of the unknown that makes the other-self reach out and begin the seeking process that ends in a moment, but who can know when an entity will open the gate to the present?
I may be misunderstanding 3D Sunset, but I don’t believe he is promoting a “conversion” of those of service to self orientation to service to others orientation. Rather he is advocating for the creation of a planetary-wide atmosphere whose substance consists more fully of positive understanding and positive energies.
Entities experiencing such an atmosphere (in which darkness decreases in direct proportion to the increase of light) could, if they still chose, retain their polarity. Ra mentioned in the Law of One books that polarizing negatively in an extremely positive atmosphere, while difficult, is not impossible. (Not true in the converse, unfortunately.)
What do you think?
Hkelukka Wrote:I understand that the vision of an entirely STO harvest is a beautiful one and I am not contesting that. I am pointing out that harvest, any harvest, is a beautiful event and the desire for the whole planet to harvest into STO is certainly against the will of those who wish to harvest to an STS…
I think that one of the key principles differentiating positive and negative approaches to life is witnessed in their respective understandings of the concept of free will. The positive polarity's efforts are directed towards the atmosphere or environment of an entity such that free will be preserved and the entity be given new opportunities of choice. The negative polarity seeks to control not only the atmosphere but the other-self altogether.
Thusly do I not entirely agree with your statement that this type of hope - and the work that results from that hope - is categorically an infringement upon the will of those seeking the path of the negative polarity. To work towards a unified service-to-others harvest does not necessarily contain seeds of negative thought, though with just the slightest twist it certainly can, of course.
Hkelukka Wrote:It is a beautiful vision, i cant talk for anyone else, but for me, it appears as a vision that would lead many STO wanderers astray. I can explain more of this if you wish but if you desire i will not speak of it any more. I do not wish to infringe upon your vision.
Hkelukka, if you have more to share and it is on topic and within the guidelines, you will not be “infringing” on any one’s vision! Please do share if you see cause to share.
Love and Light,
GLB
Explanation by the tongue makes most things clear, but love unexplained is clearer. - Rumi