07-20-2011, 04:49 AM
@3DMonkey
I have a lot of passion about this discussion of what it is we are suppose to be doing in the here and now. In regards to Patton, or anyone else, What Ra says is, "Exercise Two. The universe is one being. When a mind/body/spirit complex views another mind/body/spirit complex, see the Creator. This is an helpful exercise."
My interjection into this thread is to discourage from seeking answers about specific people, and thier orientation. It is the opposite of what it is that will help seeing the other-self as yourself, as the Creator.
Defining ourselves as STO, is not an STO act. It is the exact opposite. To the true STO mind/body/spirit complex, there is no reason to seperate yourself as more STO than anyone else. Doing so is pure STS. For example, if you volunteer in an animal shelter, and take care of poor orphaned puppies and kitties, you might have a extreme negative view of someone that clubs baby seals to death. You might defame them as being selfish STS jerks, and probably more negative views. Guess what? you just seperated yourself from yourself in that thought. Who would you be serving with this belief other than yourself?
At points in this thread, and many other threads we find ourselves as a group defining others as STS, i.e. George Bush, Dick Cheney, and others. At the same time also defining ourselves as STO, and defining STO heros, like Ron Paul, with the purpose to create contrast between "us" and "them". I assure you, not seeing yourself, the Creator, in EVERY OTHER other-self will not help tip any of us over to the 51% side.
To further understand what Ra says about Patton, you should consider this q/a:
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35.1 Questioner: I would like to say that we consider it a great privilege to be doing this work, and we hope that we will be questioning in the direction that will be of value to the readers of this material. I thought that in this session it might be helpful to inspect the effect of the rays of different well-known figures in history to aid in understanding how the catalyst of the illusion creates spiritual growth. I was making a list that I thought we might use to hit the high points on the workings of the catalysts on these individuals starting with the one we know as Franklin D. Roosevelt. Could you say something about that entity?
Ra: I am Ra.
It is to be noted that in discussing those who are well-known among your peoples there is the possibility that information may be seen to be specific to one entity whereas in actuality the great design of experience is much the same for each entity. It is with this in mind that we would discuss the experiential forces which offered catalyst to an individual.
It is further to be noted that in the case of those entities lately incarnate much distortion may have taken place in regard to misinformation and misinterpretation of an entity’s thoughts or behaviors.
We shall now proceed to, shall we say, speak of the basic parameters of the one known as Franklin...
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I wish that Don would have had Ra expand on the concept of "the great design of experience" as the opportunity presented itself. I think what happened here instead was that Don had some scripted questions for this session as a matter of house cleaning. The idea being to round out his book as thorough, to include historical figures. The question didn't really come from what he really wanted to know, it was for a percieved interest of his eventual readers, and maybe publishers. In my opionion, the answers given by Ra about specific entities are wholey shallow. Ra even states in a few answers that the information he is giving is shallow.
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8.4 Questioner: Where do the people who operate these craft come from? Are they affiliated with any nation on Earth? What is their source?
Ra: These people come from the same place as you or I. They come from the Creator.
As you intend the question, in its shallower aspect, these people are those in your and other selves’ governments responsible for what you would term national security.
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I think this quote illustrates point I'm making totally. Don askes a question wanting to know about this conspiracy to keep UFOs a secrect, and who is responsible? (and how dare they if it's true?) Ra comes right back with a reality check. "They come from the Creator" (that's you), and the question is shallow, then he answers it anyway. Ra answers the question so directly, he doesn't even bother to say "I am Ra."
Here's another question in this session of absolutely no consequence.
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8.26 Questioner: I am totally aware that this line of questioning is of totally no consequence at all, but this particular information is so startling to me that it makes me question your validity on this. Up until this point I was in agreement with everything you had said. This is very startling to me. It just does not seem possible to me that this secret could have been kept for twenty-seven years, and that we are operating these craft. I apologize for my attitude, but I thought that I would be very honest. It is unbelievable to me that we would operate a plant in Mexico, outside of the United States, to build these craft. Maybe I’m mistaken. These craft are physical craft built by physical people? Could I go get in one and ride in one? Is that correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. You could not ride one. The United States, as you call your society divisional complex, creates these as a type of weapon.
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The futility of asking about individual famous and infamous mind/body/spirit complexes from history can not be better illustrated than what is said about Himmler.
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36.12 Questioner: Let me take as an example the one that you said was called Himmler. We are assuming from this that his Higher Self was of the sixth-density and it was stated that Himmler had selected the negative path. Would his Higher Self then dwell in a sixth-density negative type of situation? Can you expand on this concept?
Ra: I am Ra. There are no negative beings which have attained the Oversoul manifestation, which is the honor/duty of the mind/body/spirit complex totality, of late sixth-density as you would term it in your time measurements. These negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complexes have a difficulty which to our knowledge has never been overcome, for after fifth-density graduation wisdom is available but must be matched with an equal amount of love. This love/light is very, very difficult to achieve in unity when following the negative path and during the earlier part of the sixth-density, society complexes of the negative orientation will choose to release the potential and leap into the sixth-density positive.
Therefore, the Oversoul which makes its understanding available to all who are ready for such aid is towards the positive. However, the free will of the individual is paramount, and any guidance given by the Higher Self may be seen in either the positive or negative polarity depending upon the choice of a mind/body/spirit complex.
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Is that an answer? Ra made a preztel in my head. What?
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36.13 Questioner: Then using Himmler as an example, was his Higher Self at the time he was incarnate in the 1940s a sixth-density positively oriented Higher Self?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.
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Wow. Himmler, a most Senior Nazi, and most directly responsible for the Holocaust, had a 6th density POSITIVE higher self? Seems like he is "going all the way" to know himself in every way. Maybe he is hoping to be harvested as 4D negative so he can know that path too. I think. I still have a preztel in my head over that one.
@bring4th_Monica
you seem to have strong views. I have only one question. Do you like fishsticks? If you don't want to answer, I understand. Unity never answered me either. I'm okay with that. It's all good.
@tenet
Everything that Ra says is literally true. However, We have a way of putting it into our own context to suit our viewpoint. In other words, to distort it.
I have a lot of passion about this discussion of what it is we are suppose to be doing in the here and now. In regards to Patton, or anyone else, What Ra says is, "Exercise Two. The universe is one being. When a mind/body/spirit complex views another mind/body/spirit complex, see the Creator. This is an helpful exercise."
My interjection into this thread is to discourage from seeking answers about specific people, and thier orientation. It is the opposite of what it is that will help seeing the other-self as yourself, as the Creator.
Defining ourselves as STO, is not an STO act. It is the exact opposite. To the true STO mind/body/spirit complex, there is no reason to seperate yourself as more STO than anyone else. Doing so is pure STS. For example, if you volunteer in an animal shelter, and take care of poor orphaned puppies and kitties, you might have a extreme negative view of someone that clubs baby seals to death. You might defame them as being selfish STS jerks, and probably more negative views. Guess what? you just seperated yourself from yourself in that thought. Who would you be serving with this belief other than yourself?
At points in this thread, and many other threads we find ourselves as a group defining others as STS, i.e. George Bush, Dick Cheney, and others. At the same time also defining ourselves as STO, and defining STO heros, like Ron Paul, with the purpose to create contrast between "us" and "them". I assure you, not seeing yourself, the Creator, in EVERY OTHER other-self will not help tip any of us over to the 51% side.
To further understand what Ra says about Patton, you should consider this q/a:
----
35.1 Questioner: I would like to say that we consider it a great privilege to be doing this work, and we hope that we will be questioning in the direction that will be of value to the readers of this material. I thought that in this session it might be helpful to inspect the effect of the rays of different well-known figures in history to aid in understanding how the catalyst of the illusion creates spiritual growth. I was making a list that I thought we might use to hit the high points on the workings of the catalysts on these individuals starting with the one we know as Franklin D. Roosevelt. Could you say something about that entity?
Ra: I am Ra.
It is to be noted that in discussing those who are well-known among your peoples there is the possibility that information may be seen to be specific to one entity whereas in actuality the great design of experience is much the same for each entity. It is with this in mind that we would discuss the experiential forces which offered catalyst to an individual.
It is further to be noted that in the case of those entities lately incarnate much distortion may have taken place in regard to misinformation and misinterpretation of an entity’s thoughts or behaviors.
We shall now proceed to, shall we say, speak of the basic parameters of the one known as Franklin...
----
I wish that Don would have had Ra expand on the concept of "the great design of experience" as the opportunity presented itself. I think what happened here instead was that Don had some scripted questions for this session as a matter of house cleaning. The idea being to round out his book as thorough, to include historical figures. The question didn't really come from what he really wanted to know, it was for a percieved interest of his eventual readers, and maybe publishers. In my opionion, the answers given by Ra about specific entities are wholey shallow. Ra even states in a few answers that the information he is giving is shallow.
----
8.4 Questioner: Where do the people who operate these craft come from? Are they affiliated with any nation on Earth? What is their source?
Ra: These people come from the same place as you or I. They come from the Creator.
As you intend the question, in its shallower aspect, these people are those in your and other selves’ governments responsible for what you would term national security.
----
I think this quote illustrates point I'm making totally. Don askes a question wanting to know about this conspiracy to keep UFOs a secrect, and who is responsible? (and how dare they if it's true?) Ra comes right back with a reality check. "They come from the Creator" (that's you), and the question is shallow, then he answers it anyway. Ra answers the question so directly, he doesn't even bother to say "I am Ra."
Here's another question in this session of absolutely no consequence.
----
8.26 Questioner: I am totally aware that this line of questioning is of totally no consequence at all, but this particular information is so startling to me that it makes me question your validity on this. Up until this point I was in agreement with everything you had said. This is very startling to me. It just does not seem possible to me that this secret could have been kept for twenty-seven years, and that we are operating these craft. I apologize for my attitude, but I thought that I would be very honest. It is unbelievable to me that we would operate a plant in Mexico, outside of the United States, to build these craft. Maybe I’m mistaken. These craft are physical craft built by physical people? Could I go get in one and ride in one? Is that correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. You could not ride one. The United States, as you call your society divisional complex, creates these as a type of weapon.
----
The futility of asking about individual famous and infamous mind/body/spirit complexes from history can not be better illustrated than what is said about Himmler.
----
36.12 Questioner: Let me take as an example the one that you said was called Himmler. We are assuming from this that his Higher Self was of the sixth-density and it was stated that Himmler had selected the negative path. Would his Higher Self then dwell in a sixth-density negative type of situation? Can you expand on this concept?
Ra: I am Ra. There are no negative beings which have attained the Oversoul manifestation, which is the honor/duty of the mind/body/spirit complex totality, of late sixth-density as you would term it in your time measurements. These negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complexes have a difficulty which to our knowledge has never been overcome, for after fifth-density graduation wisdom is available but must be matched with an equal amount of love. This love/light is very, very difficult to achieve in unity when following the negative path and during the earlier part of the sixth-density, society complexes of the negative orientation will choose to release the potential and leap into the sixth-density positive.
Therefore, the Oversoul which makes its understanding available to all who are ready for such aid is towards the positive. However, the free will of the individual is paramount, and any guidance given by the Higher Self may be seen in either the positive or negative polarity depending upon the choice of a mind/body/spirit complex.
----
Is that an answer? Ra made a preztel in my head. What?
----
36.13 Questioner: Then using Himmler as an example, was his Higher Self at the time he was incarnate in the 1940s a sixth-density positively oriented Higher Self?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.
----
Wow. Himmler, a most Senior Nazi, and most directly responsible for the Holocaust, had a 6th density POSITIVE higher self? Seems like he is "going all the way" to know himself in every way. Maybe he is hoping to be harvested as 4D negative so he can know that path too. I think. I still have a preztel in my head over that one.
@bring4th_Monica
you seem to have strong views. I have only one question. Do you like fishsticks? If you don't want to answer, I understand. Unity never answered me either. I'm okay with that. It's all good.
@tenet
Everything that Ra says is literally true. However, We have a way of putting it into our own context to suit our viewpoint. In other words, to distort it.