07-02-2011, 11:25 PM
(07-02-2011, 08:47 PM)Azrael Wrote: Is that not truly what it is? Maybe that's precisely what it is and it is in fact only our own sense of limitation which causes us to meticulously organize it in to a comprehensible third density form.
there isnt anything 'third density' about all these. these concepts, actually shouldnt have been here in third density even. third density is the interaction of entity with other entities. all these information, ranging from science to spirituality is here because extensive amounts of information was relayed to this planet by wanderers and similar.
these are not 3rd density concepts. these are probably not even 4d concepts. these are very probably at least 5d and higher information and concepts. actually, it has to be 6d concepts, because learning, understanding, and using existential mechanics and the way universe works seems to be the activity of the co-creating density, 6d.
naturally this reflects in this experiential nexus (whatever we call this point in time in this 3d) - extreme amounts of gadgetry, creations, creating more even before others are used, too much science and technology to the point that 3d shouldnt have, even playing with things that dont have a place in 3d experience (temporal black hole generation in lhc to global scale genetic modification). not to mention endless amount of systems, methods discovered and, applied to life in a density that couldnt handle all of these.
Quote:Indeed, we are here to learn, but learn what exactly? I hear this a lot, "the purpose of everything is to learn", well, what is the point of learning anything if ultimately
the purpose for entities of 3d, is decision of service with the understanding that 'there are others than me'. its rather as simple as that.
for wanderers, and any others participating in this experience from their level (disincarnate entities, entities observing this from outside physically or telephatically or spiritually) the general theme seems to be learning not to supply more information/amenities/technology/whatever than a density's entities can responsibly accept/appreciate/use. maldek, mars, and this. this is what i see from this vantage point. unless there is a very very delicate catch about the past of this solar system that we dont know.
of course it goes without saying that all of these entities probably have infinitely varied lessons/experiences they need to draw from this thing happening here in general, and that doesnt necessarily need to be related with the general theme i mentioned above.
Quote:Don't get me wrong, I see what you are saying, but I insist this is a perceptual limitation. This is only an illusion we are in, afterall.
and that is what i am objecting - all this talk of false escape, false rejection of the reality - that seems to stem from teachings which are generally out of india :
the limitation, 'illusion' you speak about, is the extent of reality as far as we have been able to discover and create. there is no other concept of 'reality' so that this one will be an 'illusion' compared to it. the extent of 'reality', 'experience', is this. infinite intelligence realized the existence of the concept of being more than one, and the extent of 'being more than one' explored and seen in our experience, currently, is this. there may be even further than this in future, and probably, there will, as per the necessities of infinity.
referral to a future point in existence - like octave end, or, the point where there is the manifestation of infinite intelligence only, in the 'above' parts of existence - will not make this one 'unreal'.
if, one descends from the 'above' or 'before' point that only infinite intelligence is there towards this point, s/he will find this 'illusion' present here, just like how s/he left endless octaves ago. this, was real at this point. everything changed the next. everything now being different has not made the moment before, 'unreal'.
by the way it is rather curious that people use the word 'reality' 'reality' 'reality' over and over - what is the definition of reality in the first place ....