06-30-2011, 06:58 PM
I also found this good quote:
Makes it pretty clear that our typical mathematic concepts of expansion and growth may only pertain to this particular type of Logos.
Of course the Creator learns, because until YOU, and I and everyone else IS the Creator it will not "complete", however, it of course exists in this state! The only difference is perspective. Consider that the cells of your body are gradually becoming more conscious, learning to function more harmoniously with your thoughts until eventually you have absolute awareness of every single portion of your body. (This is supposed to be one of the experiences related to certain degrees of initiation, and is a technique common to eastern martial arts and yogic practices) If you think of time in terms of progress rather than a "unit" you'll see that "space in time" is actually quite an illusionary concept. At that point, of Unity, all those cells are elevated to the same level of consciousness as the mind itself, becoming "One". Now, consider time to be the process of the cells becoming aware, the person is obviously aware that they have a complete body, which is made of cells however until each cell is individually felt and experienced the system will be felt as disjointed. Time/space is in fact the manifestation of the process of the Creator knowing itself. It's imperative you remove the idea of "quantity" from your mind when considering time.
Also, keep in mind that once the Creator knows itself, it must do something with what it knows it is.
Aha Blessings, brother, I only do what I can to process my intuition in to comprehendable language to offer a view of things from my own perspective.
Quote:Questioner: I may be backtracking a little today because I think that possibly we are at the most important part of what we are doing in trying to make it apparent how everything is one, how it comes from one intelligent infinity. This is difficult, so please bear with my errors in questioning.
The concept that I have right now of the process, using both what you have told me and some of Dewey Larson’s material having to do with the physics of the process, is that intelligent infinity expands outward from all locations everywhere. It expands outward uniformly like the surface of a bubble or a balloon expanding outward from every point everywhere. It expands outward at what is called unit velocity or the velocity of light. This is Larson’s idea of the progression of what he calls space/time. Is this concept correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This concept is incorrect as is any concept of the one intelligent infinity. This concept is correct in the context of one particular Logos, or Love, or focus of this Creator which has chosen Its, shall we say, natural laws and ways of expressing them mathematically and otherwise.
The one undifferentiated intelligent infinity, unpolarized, full and whole, is the macrocosm of the mystery-clad being. We are messengers of the Law of One. Unity, at this approximation of understanding, cannot be specified by any physics but only become activated or potentiated intelligent infinity due to the catalyst of free will. This may be difficult to accept. However, the understandings we have to share begin and end in mystery.
Makes it pretty clear that our typical mathematic concepts of expansion and growth may only pertain to this particular type of Logos.
(06-30-2011, 06:18 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I fully agree, Azrael, I definitely wasn't suggesting the end of the octave was the end of our journey, but rather it is still the "end" of something (the octave, obviously). Ra describes it as "consciousness coalescing" back into One, meaning no more separation. Obviously not done, but at that point, no illusion of separation, no experiencing many-ness, and existing as just the Creator.
And obviously, Guardians from the next octave seem to strongly suggest a sort of simultaneity to existence.
I'm just not so easily dismissing the idea of time. Not really because I'm stubbornly holding on to the idea...but from our perspective, the Creator obviously learns. From our perspective, the Creator knows more now than it did at the beginning of this octave, which we measure in time. And so it's hard for me to accept the idea that the Creator realizes all potential instead of just the possibility for infinite potential. And while the Creator isn't done existing at the end of Octaves, it seems to me to be a unified One, still unaware of specific potential.
Of course the Creator learns, because until YOU, and I and everyone else IS the Creator it will not "complete", however, it of course exists in this state! The only difference is perspective. Consider that the cells of your body are gradually becoming more conscious, learning to function more harmoniously with your thoughts until eventually you have absolute awareness of every single portion of your body. (This is supposed to be one of the experiences related to certain degrees of initiation, and is a technique common to eastern martial arts and yogic practices) If you think of time in terms of progress rather than a "unit" you'll see that "space in time" is actually quite an illusionary concept. At that point, of Unity, all those cells are elevated to the same level of consciousness as the mind itself, becoming "One". Now, consider time to be the process of the cells becoming aware, the person is obviously aware that they have a complete body, which is made of cells however until each cell is individually felt and experienced the system will be felt as disjointed. Time/space is in fact the manifestation of the process of the Creator knowing itself. It's imperative you remove the idea of "quantity" from your mind when considering time.
Also, keep in mind that once the Creator knows itself, it must do something with what it knows it is.
(06-30-2011, 06:57 PM)111 Wrote: Thanks Azrael!! I love the way you view these things. You take a concept in my mind and Expand my understandings DRASTICALLY!!
Aha Blessings, brother, I only do what I can to process my intuition in to comprehendable language to offer a view of things from my own perspective.