06-30-2011, 04:26 PM
(06-30-2011, 12:24 AM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: >> If the Creator knows every little thing there is to know before it is experienced, what's the point of experiencing?
The point is that no two people can have the same exact experience. So the Creator desires to experience these subtle differences, no matter how similar the experience may appear on the surface. For example, if I point your attention to a cloud in the sky, you are going to react to it and experience that moment slightly differently than I am. The Creator wants to experience that. If this were not true, why would we still exist? Surely with 6 billion people on the planet, combined with the fact that populations have thrived for 3000+ years, one might suppose the Creator has experienced it all, right?
That wasn't exactly my point...I was more responding to Azreal's statement of "the Logos must have been aware of the potentials for the STS polarity." The notion that the Logos must have been aware of the potentials for everything, I feel, isn't accurate. If the Creator is aware of the potential for everything, I feel like existence loses its point.
For example, we know from Ra that the veil did not exist at the beginning of this octave, but we know now that it increases the efficiency of spiritual evolution in 3rd density. If the Creator were aware of this potential, why were the "experiments" necessary? Why didn't the veil exist to begin with? I feel like what Ra is saying in the original topic...:
The saga of polarity, its consequences and limits, were unimagined until experienced.
...is basically saying that the potential for STS polarity was not realized until the first entity discovered the ability to harvest to 4D without activating green.
Quote:>> but some sneaky STS using the faculty of free will skipped a couple steps and busted the system, creating a whole new aspect of creation.
Your statement is a belief, so it would not be appropriate for me to argue otherwise. No one can prove these beliefs until the veil is gone, but since we are using Ra's work as a baseline, I feel a little more comfortable stating that there is no "sneaking" behind the Creator. The Creator IS the experience of sneaking, just as it is every other experience you can imagine. Nothing can exist that hasn't been derived from the prime vibration of Love. But it is the exact way in which each entity interprets their unique experiences that justifies the statement of the saga consisting of "unimagined" things.
I don't mind at all if anyone holds my statements against the LOO in any fashion, whether it's a belief or not, so please don't feel that it's inappropriate to do so. I completely understand where you're coming from, the Creator IS the experience of sneaking. But what I'm saying is that I think the STS polarity was an "unplanned" part of creation, just like the formation of social memory complexes, the heating of the Earth changing from 3D to 4D, or the warfare we experience in this reality. None were "planned" by the Logos but they're still of the Logos, and now that they're known, they can be "planned" into future experience.
So, the first Logos which experienced an entity harvesting STS then could share that experience with all other Logoi, and they could then create atmospheres more conducive to that kind of learning. I interpret Ra to basically say that here in the next question after the original topic's quote:
Quote:77.20 Questioner: In other words you are saying that originally the Logoi that did not choose this free will path did not choose it simply because they had not conceived of it and that later Logoi, extending the first distortion farther down through their evolution, experienced it as an outcropping or growth from that extension of the first distortion. Am I correct in saying that?
Ra: I am Ra. Yes.
"...they had not conceived of it" means to me that it was not planned until the first distortion was extended enough for an entity to discover it on their own accord. Meaning that the Creator that existed before this octave began couldn't have "known about it," otherwise the Logoi would have "known about it."
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(06-30-2011, 12:50 AM)Azrael Wrote:(06-29-2011, 11:53 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: ............
Perhaps it would be effective to think of time as an energy and think of "cyclic" as a type of spiral motion? It can be broken down in to infinite smaller spirals within itself. It is fractal, as all things, one of the most fascinating concepts associated with the light.
That's a cool analogy, but I still have trouble piecing it together. "Motion" requires some sort of passage of time, and Ra still included the words "periodically" and "begins again."
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