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    06-22-2011, 10:03 PM (This post was last modified: 06-23-2011, 12:06 AM by Monica.)
    (06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: in case you are aware, 51% positive vibrations means you opened your energy centers up to 51%, with yellow being in the open. and if yellow is open, that would mean non-discrimination.

    Are you saying yellow would be 100% open, or 51+% open, to be harvestable?

    (06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: in addition, elitism and similar concepts are associated with negativity, and its mechanism.

    It's a continuum. Just as we must individuate in 2D, in order to be harvestable to 3D, and then unify in 4D, so too must we first learn to love family, and then move beyond that, to love all.

    That's not elitism. It's just the path of evolution. Sure, it would be nice to instantly love everyone, but that's not how it works. We have to start loving, and it probably doesn't matter whom we love, as long as we love.

    To say, "My child is more important than your child" is elitism. My child isn't any more important than any other child.

    To say, "I love my child more than I love your child" is simply a fact. We are in 3D. That's where we're at. It's unreasonable to expect that we love everyone equally, when we are veiled.

    (06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: also, during harvest, do you think that the harvest is going to happen in a family context, and the situation of the entity will not be measured out of that context ?

    No, but that's irrelevant. We have families in the here and now, and there's a reason for that.

    (06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: not to mention that, the very concept 'family' is an orange concept that involves identification with some number of people more than others. in short, its an orange ray identification involvement.

    Addressed above. Part of the process.

    (06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote:
    Quote:Agreed. However, here is a point I think you're missing:

    What might appear as 'justification' might actually be responsibility in another area of life.

    You just used the word 'serve.' If one is serving, then one is acting in an STO capacity. This person has a responsibility to serve, to choose STO actions. Thus, that too is a responsibility. Therefore, if that person, say, quit her job, which resulted in neglecting her children, then she has just traded one responsibility for another.

    you can take the word 'serve' in positive emissions context. those two are not separable from each other.

    there will not be 'family' mental context during harvest measurement. it is a mental bias pertaining to this planet.

    You still seem to have missed my point. What about the responsibility of the mother in taking care of her children?

    You stated that she should quit her job. If that leaves her unable to pay her rent, and she and her children are then homeless and unable to get health care, healthy food, or other basic necessities, isn't that failing to meet the responsibilities of serving/taking care of her children?

    (06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: im saying that it seems so. for, anyone who is participating in anything, knowingly or unknowingly (conscious or unconscious knowing or unknowing dont differ in this context) are still affected by the results of their actions.

    We know that intention plays a role in whether we polarize. (See Ra's comments about FDR.)

    Why wouldn't intention also play a role in responsibility?

    (06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: yes, it does. but, it seems to involve more direct, fast manifestations of the law of responsibility in individual's own life. rather than participation in the orange system reducing your lifespan not from 900 to 40, but 900 to 140.

    OK. I'll go along with that. But I still contend that responsibility comes with awareness. I don't think my cat is responsible for the bird he just killed, because he is a cat, and it's natural for cats to kill birds. That is where he's at in his development.

    A human who kills birds bears much more responsibility for that action.

    (06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote:
    Quote:But neglecting her children is also a negative act. How is this reconciled?

    the positively oriented entity would choose a route that would attempt to not neglect anyone, even if that route is not wise or feasible.

    OK fair enough. I'll agree with that. That is exactly what I did, when I chose a livelihood that helps others, instead of harming others. I shouldn't have to hurt someone else, in order to take care of my own.

    However, such decisions often take time to manifest. While working on manifesting a better job or business, I contend that a mother's first responsibility is for her own children. Never mind that in the higher densities there are no family affiliations; right here, right now, in 3D we have family responsibilities.

    Because of the veil, it's impossible for each of us to bear 100% responsibility for all other-selves. My neighbor let her children ride in the car without seat belts, and ride their bikes without helmets. I chose differently for my child. But I cannot picket her house until she changes according to what I think she should do. All I can do is raise my own child according to my highest principles, and hopefully raise my neighbor's awareness in any way I can.

    (06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: are you aware that the established companies have long been in the process of subduing those corporations and models ? and some are the things you are interested in ? like natural food products ? im not even mentioning anything about what is going on in the world of information technology, patents, or internet.

    Of course I'm aware! We've been fighting the established medical system, drug companies, etc. for decades.

    But the established corporations are failing to stop the new wave. The new paradigm is taking hold. The new companies are growing. And people are waking up, in droves!

    (06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: both entities were able to get into power in outstanding conditions

    So near the Harvest, it could be argued that we too are living in 'outstanding conditions.' So it's not far-fetched to entertain the notion that we could have some STO entities in our midst, in the political arena.

    (06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: catching the negative mechanism unawares at times, is possible, yes. however that does not make it a rule.

    Agreed. I'm just saying there could be others, not mentioned by Ra.

    (06-22-2011, 08:38 PM)unity100 Wrote: multinational corporations were not new in 19th century, even in lincoln's era.

    Are you saying that multinational corporations existed even before Lincoln's time? If so, I didn't know that. I thought corporations were a recent phenomenon. They certainly weren't in the same form as now, with as much power as now.

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    Fukusjima - by unity100 - 06-16-2011, 07:19 PM
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