(06-12-2011, 01:50 AM)norral Wrote: monica a better hypothetical question to ask me is this - what if someone hurt one of your grandkids norral, what would u do, and the answer is not as obvious as it appears. i would have to seriously think about it , im not sure what i would do , i know what i would be tempted to do. the answer i think is that i would severely injure but not terminate them i think. and feel absolutely justified in doing so with no guilt at all for my actions.
The topic of 'what we would do in such a situation' is exhaustively explored in this thread:
Strictly Law of One > Acceptance and Will
I invite you to check it out. I think there is a lot in that thread that you might find helpful.
The reason for my hypothetical question is this:
If I were a 3rd grader having trouble with math, and an honors college student offered me some tips on how to ace my math test, I would listen. That college student has traversed the path I am on now, and has already learned the lessons I am struggling to learn.
Likewise, Ra are our elders. They have already graduated from 3D and beyond. And they are offering us tips as to how to end the suffering here on this planet. Ra made it very clear: Forgiveness stops the cycle of karma.
And, responding to STS with hatred is giving them power.
I understand that it's natural to respond to atrocities with anger and hatred. My point is that our task is to rise above that. Only then can we hope to do anything about it. Because, continuing to feed that hatred is only going to feed the perpetrators. They eat fear and hatred for breakfast!
(That last statement wasn't a joke. Ra stated that negative entities actually feed on our negative emotions.)
So if we want to end those atrocities, we have to stop feeding the perpetrators.
This is the advice given to us by our elders who have already passed the test. Remember, the inhabitants of this planet have already flunked the test multiple times!
So my question is: Do you think there is value in accepting Ra's advice? Even if we can't quite pull it off yet, to hold it as an ideal to aspire to, can point us in the right direction.
(06-12-2011, 01:50 AM)norral Wrote: loving the shadow side is something that i am just learning to master and it is not easy for me at all. my shadows seem so dark to me.
That is all the more reason to illuminate them with love and forgiveness.
(06-12-2011, 01:50 AM)norral Wrote: one other thought that occurs is thinking that in past lives we very likely did some horrible stuff. i have some memories where i believe i used to torture people in the middle ages. not nice right.
Aha! so that's where I remember you from!
(06-12-2011, 01:50 AM)norral Wrote: and yet and still that doesnt for whatever reason make me feel compassion for those who torture in todays world.
Maybe feeling compassion for those who torture is a bit premature for you. Maybe, since you were the torturer in past lives, it is enough that you have learned to have compassion for those being tortured!
Congratulations! Do you realize how momentous this is? Think about it. You have transformed from a torturer, into a champion for those being tortured! That's huge!
Give yourself some acknowledgement for that. It's quite an accomplishment!
The next step, as I see it, is to forgive yourself for your past actions. At the heart of your hatred of oppressors, is that you haven't forgiven yourself yet when you were like them. Remember, we are all ONE and we all mirror to one another. Thus, if someone is bothering you, it's because something in them is still in you.
So, my suggestion is to focus first on forgiving yourself for your past actions. Working to help victims is a good way to get that energy moving. Then, after you have forgiven yourself, you will be able to see that the current murderers and torturers are just reflections of yourself. They are just in a different phase of their evolution. You will be able to then extend your self-forgiveness to them.
And guess what? When you can do that, you will shorten the time it takes for them to get to the point where you are at now. And thus, you will reduce the suffering. By forgiving first yourself and then them, they will transform into loving, compassionate beings, a lot faster than if you continue to hate them and the part of yourself that was like them.
Forgiving yourself, and thus transforming that aspect of yourself that is like them, will do more good than wishing ill upon them. This we know from Ra, and I think it's good advice.
(06-12-2011, 01:50 AM)norral Wrote: also ranting about seeing those who are evil suffer is a relief valve for me. its not so much that i want these people to suffer what i really want is for them to go away and leave the rest of us alone.
I understand. I want them to go away too! In fact, I confess I look forward to the time (hopefully soon) when the harvestable STS entities are transferred to their own planet. That will be a great relief!
Ranting and venting is ok, as long as it doesn't just continue to feed itself and fester. It can be therapeutic, if it leads to new understanding. I hope you understand that we have to draw the line at actually cursing others.
(06-12-2011, 01:50 AM)norral Wrote: that is what i really want. this whole thing of living in duality is painful. and i am an empath and i tend to pick up the pain of the oppressed. so i walk around constantly feeling the suffering of others. it is not a lot of fun. and i am often stunned that others are just oblivious to the suffering of others it doesnt occur to many people at all that others are suffering and it is impossible for me to forget that others are suffering.
Oh wow, do you realize how amazing that is! What a beautiful example of karma in action! If you really were a torturer before, then what a gift your Higher Self has given you! You clearly chose to heal and resolve that part of yourself, and what better way than to have a natural empathy for those who are suffering?
I'd say that is a blessing indeed!
