07-01-2009, 10:09 AM
Hello Turtle, et al. An interesting thread, thank you for starting it. For what it's worth, I'd like to toss in my 2cents on some of Taha's insights.
I agree with you completely. This is, IMHO, one of the foundational tenets of the Law of One (and, indeed is at the core of all spiritual practices), it is what Ra and those at L/L Research call "finding the love in the moment". When we look at events in our lives from the position of the ego (and hence from the perspective of separation), it is so damn easy (and so predictably human) to feel that someone or something else is "doing something to us". The same events, when viewed from the perspective of oneness, lose their sharp edges fairly easily. I am a strong proponent of taking personal responsibility for the environment in which I live and the events that "happen" in my life. Once you take ownership of the difficulties, it is much easier to approach the resulting mess with the proper attitude to clean it up. When something "bad" happens, this is the time to look and say "where is the love in this moment", or "what lesson have I offered myself, here". The separate human bemoans their bad luck. The spiritual seeker is always digging for (and finding) the pony in the pile of manure.
This is a fascinating subject to me. Is the purpose of this life ultimately to transcend it, or is it rather to experience it fully? One could certainly argue that the two goals are opposite sides of the same coin, but I look at it from a slightly different perspective. This is, I think one of the key differences between a wanderer's incarnation and that of a native 3D soul. Where I would normally argue that a wanderer's status is not pertinent at all once they have incarnated into 3D, I do recognize that the purpose for the incarnations is different for a wanderer than for a native soul. The native soul is incarnating for the expressed purpose of polarizing with sufficient strength to transcend 3D existence, that is to say, to choose, polarize, and graduate to 4D. The wanderer, on the other hand, incarnates primarily for the purpose of radiating love/light and easing the transition of the planetary consciousness into 4D, but also for the purpose of experiencing certain catalysts, specific to them, that can allow them to much more quickly and effectively learn certain lessons than they could in their native dimension. So to me Taha, the perspective you have expressed is accurate with respect to yourself, the wanderer, but I also have no problem with spiritual teachings that aim toward transcendence.
Congratulations, Taha. This is a profound statement, and one I'm sure you don't make lightly, but it is hopefully accurate for all wanderers. I look at karma a little differently than most. To me Karma is simply attachment. And those things to which we are attached must recur in our lives. This can be both "good" and "bad" things. But attachment to either can draw us back into 3D existence. To paraphrase the Lord's prayer, to ultimately break your karmic bonds, you must forgive your delights as well as your trespasses, and those that trespass against you.
I second Taha's question. Carla has often spoken of her love of the mundane, tedious, rhythms that make up a life here in 3D. I think this is both a keen insight and a wonderful example of finding the love in the moment. When doing the dishes, unstopping the toilet, preparing the meal, driving to work, writing the report, redirecting the child, or pulling the weeds, one can look at the tasks as "chores we must do" or "opportunities to experience this magical existence". The tasks are the same, it's simply the mindset that changes. And once we are proficient in finding the love in our mundane lives, it is much easier then to find the love in our more challenging moments. Is not feeling gratitude for this life is as easy as simply choosing to do so?
Love and Light,
3D Sunset
(06-30-2009, 11:10 PM)pluralone Wrote: Perhaps the largest change, however, has been in that I've learned how to feel happy at times, as well, and for the most part, even when life becomes difficult, I've found my central core of balance, which has shown me how to appreciate this life, accept its totality - the happiness and the pain - and be grateful. It can be done.
I agree with you completely. This is, IMHO, one of the foundational tenets of the Law of One (and, indeed is at the core of all spiritual practices), it is what Ra and those at L/L Research call "finding the love in the moment". When we look at events in our lives from the position of the ego (and hence from the perspective of separation), it is so damn easy (and so predictably human) to feel that someone or something else is "doing something to us". The same events, when viewed from the perspective of oneness, lose their sharp edges fairly easily. I am a strong proponent of taking personal responsibility for the environment in which I live and the events that "happen" in my life. Once you take ownership of the difficulties, it is much easier to approach the resulting mess with the proper attitude to clean it up. When something "bad" happens, this is the time to look and say "where is the love in this moment", or "what lesson have I offered myself, here". The separate human bemoans their bad luck. The spiritual seeker is always digging for (and finding) the pony in the pile of manure.
(06-30-2009, 11:10 PM)pluralone Wrote: For me, Buddhism (and many other religious practices) places too much emphasis on escape from this life. I did not come here for the purpose of learning how to leave/ascend/transcend from here. I came here to experience this life as it is. The experiences of this human incarnation are ones I could not have had from any other source, and there were (and still are) things to learn from these experiences. They are golden.
This is a fascinating subject to me. Is the purpose of this life ultimately to transcend it, or is it rather to experience it fully? One could certainly argue that the two goals are opposite sides of the same coin, but I look at it from a slightly different perspective. This is, I think one of the key differences between a wanderer's incarnation and that of a native 3D soul. Where I would normally argue that a wanderer's status is not pertinent at all once they have incarnated into 3D, I do recognize that the purpose for the incarnations is different for a wanderer than for a native soul. The native soul is incarnating for the expressed purpose of polarizing with sufficient strength to transcend 3D existence, that is to say, to choose, polarize, and graduate to 4D. The wanderer, on the other hand, incarnates primarily for the purpose of radiating love/light and easing the transition of the planetary consciousness into 4D, but also for the purpose of experiencing certain catalysts, specific to them, that can allow them to much more quickly and effectively learn certain lessons than they could in their native dimension. So to me Taha, the perspective you have expressed is accurate with respect to yourself, the wanderer, but I also have no problem with spiritual teachings that aim toward transcendence.
(06-30-2009, 11:10 PM)pluralone Wrote: I now know that I will not reincarnate here unless I decide to do so; there's nothing that compelled me to come here except a purpose I gave myself for this life before I came here. There is no karmic cycle that will pull me back even if I were to pull the plug at this point. But I didn't have that understanding back when I was so miserable; perhaps it wasn't even true back then; perhaps what I've learned in the process of finding my inner balance is what made it so.
Congratulations, Taha. This is a profound statement, and one I'm sure you don't make lightly, but it is hopefully accurate for all wanderers. I look at karma a little differently than most. To me Karma is simply attachment. And those things to which we are attached must recur in our lives. This can be both "good" and "bad" things. But attachment to either can draw us back into 3D existence. To paraphrase the Lord's prayer, to ultimately break your karmic bonds, you must forgive your delights as well as your trespasses, and those that trespass against you.
(06-30-2009, 11:10 PM)pluralone Wrote: So, Turtle/Jamal, I want to ask: if you woke up, still in this life, tomorrow and felt good about being here, what would have changed? Is there any way this life could feel acceptable to you? Are there any circumstances under which you would feel gratitude for this life?
I second Taha's question. Carla has often spoken of her love of the mundane, tedious, rhythms that make up a life here in 3D. I think this is both a keen insight and a wonderful example of finding the love in the moment. When doing the dishes, unstopping the toilet, preparing the meal, driving to work, writing the report, redirecting the child, or pulling the weeds, one can look at the tasks as "chores we must do" or "opportunities to experience this magical existence". The tasks are the same, it's simply the mindset that changes. And once we are proficient in finding the love in our mundane lives, it is much easier then to find the love in our more challenging moments. Is not feeling gratitude for this life is as easy as simply choosing to do so?
Love and Light,
3D Sunset