STS Lies

[Bring4th_Austin]

But certainly another STS entity would know this, right? Why would they trust each other? Why would an STS group channel an STS entity when we can't know if they're telling the truth or not? It would seem to make STS channeling pointless to the eyes of the channeler, yet it still happens. And I know that STSers aren't naive nor stupid, and still there is trust.

the other sts entity wouldnt know that. that all depends on how higher in the spectrum theentities are. the higher in advancement ladder the sts entity is, the better hiding its thoughts, manipulation, control skills are.

So you're saying we're all sitting here on some high mountain, realizing STS entities lie, when STS entities don't realize this themselves? I don't accept that notion. For one to polarize STS they would have to be very smart and cunning, and I am sure they would realize that opening to a higher STS entity would make them susceptible to lies. In fact, the naivety you're applying to STS entities is much more of an attribute of STO entities, which is why Ra points out that STS entities lie to STO entities and dispense philosophy to STS entities.

What do you have to say about the Ra quote, saying STS channeled beings do not find it necessary to lie to STS channelers? Ra pointed out that lies and manipulation were presented to STO channelers, and specifically stated differently about STS channelers.

what needs to be said about it ?

it says they dont find it NECESSARY to lie. it doesnt say, they DONT lie.

Read again:

If the entity at the base of the complex of beingness is oriented towards service to self, the crusaders, who in this case, do not find it necessary to lie, will simply begin to give the philosophy they are here to give.

Will SIMPLY begin to give the philosophy THEY ARE HERE TO GIVE. Not only does Ra say they don't find it necessary to lie (and if they don't find it necessary, why would they?), but they go on to tell us what they do INSTEAD of lie, which is, again, "simply begin to give the philosophy they are here to give."

They are here to give the philosophy, which in my eyes is providing a service to other STS entities. You may continue to argue about this specific comment if you wish, but it is very plain to me what Ra is saying. They help STS entities become more STS, and that is providing a service in my eyes, which is where the heart of this topic is.

So you are saying that the STSers learn from their teachers' lies? I can definitely see that, but what about Ra saying that straight STS philosophy is dispensed? It would not be considered STS philosophy itself if it were a lie...possibly STS lessons, but STS philosophy would be straightforward.

if you start out by interpreting 'they dont' from 'they dont FIND it NECESSARY', then all kinds of confusions as such like the above, can arise.

Bring the quote back into context and you'll see it's broader than "they don't find it necessary." Ra describes STS entities specifically giving truthful STS information to STS channelers. Instead of manipulation, they give technical information and philosophy, Ra CLEARLY states this.

Read once more:

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Through telepathy the philosophy of the Law of One with the distortion of service to self is promulgated.

The definition of promulgated would make this statement mean that philosophy is dispensed in a clearly stated manner.

The elusive part to me is that, according to Ra, there is honest communication among STS entities. Isn't that attributing a modicum of honesty to STS? There has to be some sort of trust for a channeler to effectively receive STS philosophy, or even further, technical information.

again, there is no such thing as 'honest communication' among sts entities. the very fact that you are attributing honesty to a path that is in itself a lie, means you really dont understand that path.

In you're eyes, I don't understand it. In my eyes, you are very specifically avoiding Ra information which tells a different story than you are trying to tell, which evades the very point of this topic as well as shows clear misunderstanding on your part. There has been honest communication among STS entities, technical information as well as philosophy. How could this technical information be lies? The Nazis channeled STS entities and got technical information which sent their technology decades ahead of any other country at the time...are rockets a lie? Ra says this very plainly. Is Ra lying? Maybe they're STS playing a trick on us.

moreover, on top of concluding honesty in the form of 'they dont lie' from 'not finding necessary to lie', you are also concluding with lacking information, forgetting other information from Ra material :

the first requirement to be honest starts at early 6th density. advancing in 6th density requires a measure of honesty. sts entities start feeling the need to employ a measure of truth.

that means, before that, there are NO obligations for not lying.

Just because honesty is required in early 6D doesn't mean it's the only time honesty is seen. That seems irrelevant to me. It means 6D is when they stop must stop lying, not the only point they start telling the truth. There is a big difference.

if lie hasnt been a feature of sts path, the honesty requirement in 6th density start wouldnt be a problem for them.

but it is being a problem. that means, there is lie in sts path.

Obviously STS lies, Ra says that specifically about their interaction with STO. That's not what is being discussed here, and that's the point you are clearly missing. Just because they must stop lying and manipulating STO doesn't mean anything about STS intercommunication.