04-26-2011, 01:58 AM
(04-25-2011, 10:11 PM)unity100 Wrote: i have no need for 'humility', since what im referring to are NOT my production or opinions. i have referred you to direct, stated information in Ra material.
Sometimes that is true, and other times I would contend that. We'll just agree to disagree.
Quote:there is nothing philosophical about the way a creation is created.
your choices and the mechanics creation works are not related :
we are told this creation was created to be in 7 octaves each reflecting a certain property of creation, and each with 7 sub octaves and so on.
we are told, light was made to travel in a straight line.
we are told that 3rd density was the density of choice, and 4 of understanding.
your choices, anyone's choices do not matter here. noone, by their choices, will be able to change this creation to be 9 octaves, or, make the 4th density not the density of choice, or, modify light to not travel in a straight line according to its nature.
there is nothing philosophical about this either - these are mechanics.
even so that, the sub logoi, which are creators of their own creation, are not able to change these laws, but only to modify them, if you remember (that is if you read) the parts of Ra material regarding this. so, this sub-logos that is our sun, has been able to modify the natural laws that govern this solar system, but was NOT able to change it.
'that's crap, nothing is impossible' -> yes, there are a lot of things that are impossible. for example, please try creating a new galaxy by your own creative power in the next 15 minutes. or, just leave this octave, and start the next octave, leaving us behind. or, travel to mars by thought in your 3d body, and without dying, wait for 5 minutes, and come back. also, stop time on this planet while doing that. you wont be able to.
I agree with all of this. It is completely on point.
However, it has nothing to do with what I am trying to get at. I am saying that to completely shut down any possibility of a 3D STS entity from ever divulging any true or useful information is to rule out free will. It could happen; it doesn't mean that I think does in each circumstance. I read and I take what resonates, and I leave what does not. I have nothing to fear.
Quote:first, if you have read and remember, there is no contract in between confederation and negative entities.
secondly, it appears that you are basing all your belief and trust in a narrow margin of belief that says this negative source, despite declaring that it IS a negative, self serving source, may, for this time, opt to tell some 3d entity it wants to do whatever with, the truth.
yes, that is quite possible. it is as possible as the top ranking members of nazi party were wanting to have peace in europe, while they were waving off chamberlain from the airport. chamberlain chose to believe them, using a possibility like that.
First, HH claims 'Lucifer' is a 6D positive entity, I'm pretty sure. They were contracted to provide the 3D negative path on earth by the Confederation because 'Yahweh' refused to.
Second, the only reason I take this stuff at face value is because I don't find this 'Yahweh' entity infallible. In my opinion, it's reasonable; and if we are to take Ra's teachings seriously, we know that the Garden of Eden was not conducive to the 3D experience; It's like Yahweh got addicted to farmville and everybody was losing (except his crops).
Believe me, my friend, I do not accept any STS entity or idea into my heart; I am guarded. That being said, my ears are open because I am not afraid; all is wisdom and power for the betterment of the creator. Additionally, you do not know what was asked of the Logos, as there could have been sufficient calling for the STS entities in charge to put a channel out there somewhere, whether they liked it or not....
Quote:the above is not even comprehensible. you need to show 'hate'. saying that a sts source that openly declared itself to be a sts source, is probably lying to you, is not 'hate'. its reason.
evidence ?
in case you forgot - and you seem to - service to self do not even hesitate from landing in force to a planet to conquer them, if they gather that they would be able to subdue the inhabitants after they did that - even at the cost of going against the laws of free will - ra says that if they are able to conquer the planet and make the inhabitants accept, law of the free will will again be established.
evidence ?
the orion group has stole the ENTIRE identity of yahweh. leave aside lying to all entities in middle east, they have usurped the identity of another society complex.
and yet, you are telling us that it is possible to trust a service to self source.
First, I shouldn't have used the word 'hate'. It was a bad choice of word, and it was confusing. I meant doubt or disapproval or something more along those lines. My bad.
I don't think the 'Lucifer' entity belongs to the Orion group... I'm pretty sure they are a completely different problem altogether. Again, I am not sure how I am trusting them, but ok.
Quote:first, we dont have any obligation to respect any other societal complex or density.
second, none of what you describe above justifies believing a STS source and its explanations. a lot of things might have happened with Ra and its experience on this planet, ra may have not been able to see a probability vortex, or Ra may have tried to push for a very, very low margin probability vortex and change the fate of this planet and failed.
these still do not justify fitting in an explanation from a sts source.
if, this is your main concern, then you can just work on this issue and try to bring an explanation through the information we can rely on, and this would be the logical thing to do. but, ferrying in 'information' from a source that is concerned foremost with serving the self, even at the cost of violating free will if they can pull it, is not the logical or spiritual thing to do - unless you are polarizing negatively that is, that is also of course, a choice.
I was trying to make the point once again that being absolute is not wise. There is always the chance that the less obvious comes to happen. That is all I am trying to say.
Quote:loving something does not mean that you should trust and believe.
what are the dangers ? getting distortions that you may need to clean in a few lifetimes somewhere ? or, even direr consequences, if you build up on it, ending you with a situation of being placed in negative time/space ? leading your way of return to be much longer ?
of course, in the end, towards infinity, you are all from 'the one'. if, based on this, you have no problems walking in the reverse direction of the road you are wanting to travel on, that is entirely your choice, and valid. if you state it like that, ie 'i am wanting to believe these negative entities, even tho they are very probably wanting to throw me off and lead me away and make me stumble and use and exploit me for their own benefit, despite i am wanting to walk a path that is not negative', that is entirely conscious, aware, and valid choice on your part.
I thank you for your concern, unity, but there is nothing to fear. Reading through the HH postings, I did not find any information that changed or affected my views on the Law of One. I feel I gained a better understanding from the view of the STS path, but in no way did anything HH write trump what I find and hear from Ra. That will never change. HH has built on it for me tho, and for that I find it a small resource.
For the sake of everyone, I vote we end this argument between us on this topic. I love ya, but we shall agree to disagree on this topic. All is well. I will take extra cheeze, please!