What would you do as a Logos?

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I am merely speaking of your style. I feel there should be an amount of humility here, in that we are not speaking of 'hard science', but instead about channeled material from a 3rd party. Allow others to spread their wings and fly with their ideas, rather than point out every small inconsistency you can find that clashes with your own personal opinions.

i have no need for 'humility', since what im referring to are NOT my production or opinions. i have referred you to direct, stated information in Ra material.

OK, lets get philosophical here:

So are you saying that there are only a predetermined set of choices before us? I am saying that you are claiming that NO STS entity would ever tell the truth to anybody, for any reason, and frankly, that is restrictive. How can you doubt Intelligent Infinity like this? Essentially, you are saying 'This is impossible.' That's crap; nothing is impossible.

Saying "No, that won't work." is that easiest thing in the world; I can do it all day. Finding out how it can work is harder, but much more satisfying.

there is nothing philosophical about the way a creation is created.

your choices and the mechanics creation works are not related :

we are told this creation was created to be in 7 octaves each reflecting a certain property of creation, and each with 7 sub octaves and so on.

we are told, light was made to travel in a straight line.

we are told that 3rd density was the density of choice, and 4 of understanding.

your choices, anyone's choices do not matter here. noone, by their choices, will be able to change this creation to be 9 octaves, or, make the 4th density not the density of choice, or, modify light to not travel in a straight line according to its nature.

there is nothing philosophical about this either - these are mechanics.

even so that, the sub logoi, which are creators of their own creation, are not able to change these laws, but only to modify them, if you remember (that is if you read) the parts of Ra material regarding this. so, this sub-logos that is our sun, has been able to modify the natural laws that govern this solar system, but was NOT able to change it.

'that's crap, nothing is impossible' -> yes, there are a lot of things that are impossible. for example, please try creating a new galaxy by your own creative power in the next 15 minutes. or, just leave this octave, and start the next octave, leaving us behind. or, travel to mars by thought in your 3d body, and without dying, wait for 5 minutes, and come back. also, stop time on this planet while doing that. you wont be able to.

So, please teach me: What are the mechanics involved here? Where does it say that a STS entity, regardless of Confederation contract, will refuse to ever tell the truth in any circumstance, even if the end result could not be affected?

I am not aware of this EXPLICIT statement. Please show me where Ra states a higher density negative entity will only lie and not tell the truth? If this is the case, can I then play opposites and just do the opposite, therefore finding the truth? Seems like a pretty easy game to play....

first, if you have read and remember, there is no contract in between confederation and negative entities.

secondly, it appears that you are basing all your belief and trust in a narrow margin of belief that says this negative source, despite declaring that it IS a negative, self serving source, may, for this time, opt to tell some 3d entity it wants to do whatever with, the truth.

yes, that is quite possible. it is as possible as the top ranking members of nazi party were wanting to have peace in europe, while they were waving off chamberlain from the airport. chamberlain chose to believe them, using a possibility like that.

You sit here and spit hate at everyone's sources, but you don't even provide your great evidence yourself? The fact is we don't know all the rules, nor do we know when those rules change.

the above is not even comprehensible. you need to show 'hate'. saying that a sts source that openly declared itself to be a sts source, is probably lying to you, is not 'hate'. its reason.

evidence ?

in case you forgot - and you seem to - service to self do not even hesitate from landing in force to a planet to conquer them, if they gather that they would be able to subdue the inhabitants after they did that - even at the cost of going against the laws of free will - ra says that if they are able to conquer the planet and make the inhabitants accept, law of the free will will again be established.

evidence ?

the orion group has stole the ENTIRE identity of yahweh. leave aside lying to all entities in middle east, they have usurped the identity of another society complex.

and yet, you are telling us that it is possible to trust a service to self source.

So, if this is true, what happened with Ra? When they came to earth, wouldn't they have seen the future like you are supposing here? Why did they fail, when they knew their tools would be taken and distorted, creating the inroads the Orion entities needed to start influencing the planet?

So for you to say that it would be obviously seen and stopped by the 6D entities completely takes away from Free Will, the first directive of the creator. I refuse to think this is how it is, for the Creator would not allow such an infringement of free will. Also, if this were true, wouldn't have Ra warned Don about the psychic attacks when he commited suicide? They wanted their work to be done and recorded, so it would make no sense that they would not help.

What you are saying here disrespects Ra greatly, for if a 6D entity could foretell the future, there would be no reason for failure.

first, we dont have any obligation to respect any other societal complex or density.

second, none of what you describe above justifies believing a STS source and its explanations. a lot of things might have happened with Ra and its experience on this planet, ra may have not been able to see a probability vortex, or Ra may have tried to push for a very, very low margin probability vortex and change the fate of this planet and failed.

these still do not justify fitting in an explanation from a sts source.

if, this is your main concern, then you can just work on this issue and try to bring an explanation through the information we can rely on, and this would be the logical thing to do. but, ferrying in 'information' from a source that is concerned foremost with serving the self, even at the cost of violating free will if they can pull it, is not the logical or spiritual thing to do - unless you are polarizing negatively that is, that is also of course, a choice.

You seem to pick and choose these examples to only support you when you want them to. I don't agree with this strategy.

what you call 'examples', are the given information and done deeds of negative sources on this planet. of course, they support this, because these are in the nature of negative path.

I am very glad you brought this up.

What is it, exactly, that I believe? What has this source taught me that is so egregious? What am I to be fearful of?

Please tell me. What are the dangers?

Are we not all from the One? Can there not be anything learned from our brothers on the other side of the spectrum?

Maybe i'm foolish, but I refuse the absolute rejection of anything. I love all... Even hidden_hand.

loving something does not mean that you should trust and believe.

what are the dangers ? getting distortions that you may need to clean in a few lifetimes somewhere ? or, even direr consequences, if you build up on it, ending you with a situation of being placed in negative time/space ? leading your way of return to be much longer ?

of course, in the end, towards infinity, you are all from 'the one'. if, based on this, you have no problems walking in the reverse direction of the road you are wanting to travel on, that is entirely your choice, and valid. if you state it like that, ie 'i am wanting to believe these negative entities, even tho they are very probably wanting to throw me off and lead me away and make me stumble and use and exploit me for their own benefit, despite i am wanting to walk a path that is not negative', that is entirely conscious, aware, and valid choice on your part.

And Monica, you were bang on. I was referring to my 'indigo child' behaviors, as I tend to get upset with those who assert authority quite often in my life...

These are the fruits produced. A stirrer of strife.

(even if fingers are pointing at me, it doesn't change the fruit. I accept my charges, if they come.)

3DM, you've made several such references, which seem rather ironic in light of our conversation on the other thread about fully loving and accepting other-selves.

quite, i have noticed that he had had made such retorts regarding me in various threads, ranging from 'and the viper strikes again' to 'you admitted that your blue is blocked', 'you indicted yourself' and so on, approximately a total of 4 times in the past 1.5-2 weeks. leave aside without any logical grounding. and at some times, forgetting the very nature of what he is supposedly using as an argument, like in the case of blue ray.

and after all those, i noticed he had had complained about 'being singled out among wanderers'.

i have no problems about others' views, but if someone who is calling someone else a 'viper' complains about 'being singled out', it becomes problematic.

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...9#pid36079

thank you for notifying this.