(04-23-2011, 07:15 AM)Edinburgh Wrote:(04-21-2011, 04:03 PM)Spectrum Wrote: The 144 000 for example, is suspect.
Sorry, what is the 144 000 reference to? Under Kabbalist tradition, 144 is an important number. Thanks.
Many religions and sects have attached some sort of significance to the 144 000 in Revelations. The Jehovah's Witnesses for example says that only 144 000 of them will rule in heaven alongside Jesus, while the rest will live peacefully on a new earth, or something to that effect.
Here is what Revelations says:
Revelations 7:1-8 Wrote:After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,
from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,
from the tribe of Gad 12,000,
from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,
from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,
from the tribe of Levi 12,000,
from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,
from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,
from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,
from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.
The above is separation, and therefor STS influenced. Pretty much the Old Testament line (God's chosen people).
Revelations 14:1 Wrote:And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Revelations 14:3-5 Wrote:They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God.
Let's also not even get into the misogyny as well...

Here you can see all the religions and sects who add significance to that number:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/144000_%28number%29