04-15-2011, 06:17 PM
(04-15-2011, 12:01 AM)Derek ~ Wrote: I understand. The creation is experiencing infinity is what you're saying. Infinite concepts are tapped which create experience.
or rather, infinite intelligence discovering infinity. and whatever counterpart it may have, doing the opposite.
Quote:Infinity in essence is only potentials.
'potential', 'essence' are also only concepts within infinity, with their counterparts. so, this makes the proposition wrong, since it has more than 'only potentials', infinity is not 'only potentials'.
Quote:But still, infinity became aware which was the second step. So there is an awareness of itself, and from then on the viewpoint changes. Because indeed, infinity realizes it does exist.
that is not correct - we, finites (actually we in this octave maybe) treat awareness as something 'good' or, some higher level.
there is nothing that says 'being aware' is something that is higher. this is our perspective.
if you look at it from base logic, 'becoming aware', is differentiation from the state of infinity, hence, something regressive. infinity, is both 'aware' and 'unaware'.
Quote:What you're trying to do is separate infinity the concept, from everything else, which you can't. Because everything comes from infinity. Does it not?
actually, infinity is separate from all concepts that exist. since, nothing can interact with infinity. it is totally null, in balance, therefore, impossible to interact with.
we are interacting with infinite intelligence, which is the direct subset of infinity. and, infinite intelligence is going towards infinity, over infinite amount of 'experiences'.
Quote:Don't be critical of the wording is what I'm saying. To not agree with saying infinity is experiencing itself is a semantic argument.
no, its very important. infinity and infinite intelligence, are not the same thing. the very nature of infinity is its identificator. if you just attribute something to it from one of its subsets, you arent talking about infinity anymore, but of its subset.
Quote:There is a paradox in saying infinity is a non-thing and then saying that it became aware of itself.
There is either awareness of itself eventually, or nothingness always.
at no point it was said infinity was a 'non thing'. infinity, is infinity. it includes the 'non thing' ness, and it includes the 'thing'ness. it includes the awareness, and it includes the unawareness.
to put it simply - infinity broke down to 2 counterparts, one is 'aware', the other, isnt. the 'aware' one is infinite intelligence. the unaware part, is the part we dont know. because, apparently we are unaware of it.
Quote:I understand the idea that at the base level of infinity nothing is experienced always, but I guess we simply disagree.
that is not correct in regard to what im saying either - there is no 'base' level of infinity - there is infinity. and, all the concepts of 'experiencing','experienced','will be experienced', and all their opposite counterparts, are readily found in infinity, merged.
so, any of them are invalid at the level of infinity, because they are totally nulled out by their counterpart. you cant use them as descriptors of a state - because, that state is totally nulled by its opposite.
Quote:You're basically saying that awareness of infinity is a projection..that there is separation in between infinity and awareness. I agree on experiencing and its opposite of not experiencing, but I have to think about infinity and its link to awareness some more.
infinity will never be totally discovered. it will take infinite time. as said, nothing we say about infinity will be correct or incorrect - because at any given time, the exact opposite of what we are saying will be present and merged with it, in infinity, therefore its effect/state totally nulled.