(04-13-2011, 12:57 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote:But the AF investigator didn't 'conclude', he interviewed someone who told him the story.(04-12-2011, 09:01 PM)zenmaster Wrote: The guy that requested this document in the first place, believes it's a hoax: http://www.openminds.tv/old-fbi-ufo-files-655/
I don't quite understand...who would be perpetuating a hoax here? The FBI agent mentions this information came from an Air Force investigator. Would this not be a legitimate Air Force investigator, or are we questioning the source the AF investigator got his info from?
I suppose the fact that there is no mention of how the AF investigator concluded these things hampers credibility, but where's the hoax?
(04-13-2011, 01:01 AM)Raman Wrote:It's from a serious, dedicated investigator.Quote:The guy that requested this document in the first place, believes it's a hoax: http://www.openminds.tv/old-fbi-ufo-files-655/
That is not a relationship that proves anything. It is not even a valid correlation.
(04-13-2011, 01:42 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:Not sure what that has to do with the doc. Why do you think it has something to do with the doc?(04-12-2011, 09:01 PM)zenmaster Wrote: What other actual research do you want? Continue believing what you want to believe, of course.
Or so that website says.
But a reviewer of Dr. Maccabee's book states:
Quote:Here you'll examine proof positive of government incompetence, outright lies, and Orwellian "double-speak" intended to steer the public away from certain explosive facts. And exactly what kinds of explosive facts are we talking about, do you wonder?
In "UFO-FBI Connection" you will read the revealing testimony of radar operators who tracked UFOs over Washington, D.C. in July 1952. But perhaps more importantly, you'll also read the first-person account of Dr. Maccabee's conversation with a scientist who confirmed mind-boggling allegations of an official recovery of UFO crash debris and corpses of alien beings.
...which seems to contradict the notion that he thought the doc was a hoax.
(04-13-2011, 01:42 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: from http://www.amazon.com/UFO-FBI-Connection...P1HP485QFMBut it wasn't listed as the explosive case. That's your conclusion. One which doesn't make sense to me.,
This reviewer also states:
Quote:Dr. Maccabee fearlessly but calmly blows the whistle on government sloth, stupidity, and arrogance, as well as on the occasional "red herring" press release aimed at misleading the public, the media, and naïve investigators.
If this particular doc was one such red herring, I doubt if it would have been listed as the 'explosive' case.
(04-13-2011, 01:42 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Furthermore, if the govt. circa 1950 wanted to cover up the existence of UFOs, why would they fabricate the most outlandish UFO story of them all - the mother of all UFOs! - a crashed UFO complete with bodies? That would only serve to draw attention to the very thing they were trying to cover up.Now it seems that you are confusing the original Roswell incident press release with this document.
(04-13-2011, 01:42 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:Or what an amazon.com reviewer has to opine?(04-12-2011, 09:01 PM)zenmaster Wrote: What other actual research do you want?
Well, I'd be more interested in what Dr. Maccabee actually says in his book, than in an article written about him by someone else.
(04-13-2011, 01:42 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:[/quote] Accepting our conclusions is a 'belief'. It's sort of like a short-hand way of saying that.(04-12-2011, 09:01 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Continue believing what you want to believe, of course.
I don't see any point in believing or disbelieving. We can only choose to accept what seems to us to be the best conclusion.
(04-10-2011, 02:59 PM)Namaste Wrote: The fact the FBI is offering this PDF speaks volumes regarding the disclosure movement. That would not have happened even a few years ago.It's been on the FBI website a few years ago - at least 7 years now. It was also publicly released 34 years ago to a scientist, Bruce Maccabee.