divinecosmos hacked again

[yossarian]

I'm offering the notion that a 3D Wanderer is never, ever, separated from the 6D self. A 3D incarnation is encompassed by the higher (6D) self.

That's it :¬)

I just think this is simultaneously both true and untrue depending entirely on your perspective.

A 3D wanderer is likewise never, ever, ever separated from the one infinite creator.

But from the perspective of logical reasoning about illusory phenomenon, they are separate. Acknowledging the separateness is the only way to reason about them.

It does indeed appear we're discussing different perspectives, with the same underlying viewpoint :¬)

When you said 'Ra is not Ra', I used the perspective of unity of consciousness/energy patterns, whereas (if I understand correctly) you were pointing towards the perspective of separation, i.e. the veil between the physical mind of the 3D entity and his/her 6D higher self. Hence the 3D Ra incarnation does not act and think as the 6D complex.

Personally I think our back-and-forth has mixed up different approaches to spirituality which just causes confusion.

Let me explain it using Hindu terms. The Hindus believe there are few paths to the One Infinite Creator:

1. Bhakti yoga - the yoga of love and devotion, very mystical, illogical, emotional, heart-centered love and bliss based worship

2. Jnana yoga - the yoga of discernment. Logical, dispassionate, dry, endlessly cutting through the illusion with a scalpel.

(I won't talk about the other forms of yoga)

Anyway I think we are mixing the Jnana and Bhakti perspectives in our conversation.

Personally I consider myself both a Jnani and a Bhakti. But you can't use devotional principles to reason about the creation.

You have to separate the two approaches. Everytime you try to infer something as a discriminating jnani, the bhakti might jump in and say "but that's wrong because ALL IS ONE!"

But this just sabotages any advances in wisdom. It is thought-stopping.

Likewise, if you interrupt a devotional meditation with some discerning thought about the precise nature of the difference between, say, 3D and 4D, you are going to sabotage your devotion because your devotion is necessarily irrational and seeks only to see the creator in everything.

I look at these things as two muscles and you use both to seek the creator, but you are careful to use them to enhance each other, not to step on each other's toes.

You do this by recognizing the paradox and accepting the paradox. The wisdom side says, "The paradox exists, and it is wise to accept the paradox without losing equanimity."

The love side, which is far less verbal, just vibrates deeply with love and bliss at the sight of the infinite beloved creator in all creation, acting spontaneously from pure inspiration without any thought of separateness or finity and no logical deliberation or deduction and no speech that makes logical sense except as an artistic expression.

Both sides are true and using both is best (IMO) but you gotta be careful not to use them against each other. Use them to enhance each other, not to cut each other down. This is the paradox that needs to be balanced.