03-16-2011, 11:02 AM
(03-16-2011, 08:16 AM)yossarian Wrote: Who are you saying is acting against the collective will exactly?
I'm down with that interpretation, but still, I don't think that is conclusive.
Who is going against the collective will?
collective will, and the lesson learned by Ra seems to be conveying pure information without distortion as possible and respecting free will. during this, they are observing every precaution to prevent any distortion from any form of identity/self leaking into the mix.
it may or may not be the lesson of Ra, however, it is definite that it is their practice. this can be not only observed in Ra material's nature, but was also iterated numerous times by them over and over.
basically, that much 'oh i wouldnt have you any other way - ga-lory!' leaking into the channeling of wilcock's self shows that there is a good deal of such no-no being present in the current balance of that entity, and therefore, its not compatible with Ra's collective behavior we saw in l/l work.
basically, ra wouldnt talk through a channel in such a situation.
Quote:Wandering doesn't mean leaving the complex. Wanderers reunite with their complex after graduation.
It seems like you're just saying that Ra never wandered to earth. I believe this is incorrect.
The collective will of a complex respects the individual wills of the members. The collective will of the complex is that the individuals serve the creator in the way they are called to do so.
The harmonizing factor in an Social Memory Complex is not the specific way each individual chooses to serve but rather the vibration of the service.
the harmonizing factor in a society memory complex is not only the vibration of service, but, the certain direction the entities choose to serve. singularity of thought. this was what was defined as the phenomenon that brings about society complex.
even if we interpret this as 'direction of service', all entities harmonizing will have a certain character/perspective on that service. this is what harmonizing means in the first place.
it seems that your approach to society complex is to take it as if it was an ordinary 3d group or society. it is not as such - entities share memories, share thoughts, share energies. they increasingly harmonize, to the point of calling themselves 'i am Ra', it seems.
you cannot just go against the collective will of your complex, and still remain a member of that complex. first, it will be very hard for you to go against the union you are a part of, second, you will be incompatible and out of sync with them when you go against the direction the collective thought is towards.
this is no different in any other situation - even the state of being multiple in the 'illusion' of existence in the first place, is the state of being unaligned with the 'first thought' ra speaks of. the same phenomenon exists in all cases that involve harmony - group, society, planetary and so on.
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i didnt say Ra didnt incarnate as wanderers here and there. you concluded that yourself. i told that, someone who is going totally contrary to the will of its society complex, cannot be remain a member of that complex and portray them as doing something that is against their collective will.
Quote:Ra heavily implied that Akhenaten was a wanderer from the Social Memory Complex of Ra.
although it was stated that this entity was a wanderer and melded its distortions with Ra's, it was not implied that entity was of Ra.