03-14-2022, 12:07 PM
(03-14-2022, 11:06 AM)YinYang Wrote:(03-14-2022, 10:15 AM)Patrick Wrote: rather we let go of this concept and we move on to the next level.
I glanced very briefly at the link you shared. I've seen these utopian movements before, Jacque Fresco and the Venus project comes to mind.
I remind you that Atlantis was a very technologically advanced society with a very efficient social structure and government, and look how that ended... because we are a mixed polarity society.
I'm all for these attempts, and I applaud them, one can only dream.
That's funny, I was just looking for a free version of Zeitgeist to post in reply regarding a vision of a sustainable society.

My concern with thinking that everyone remain loving is that, while I agree completely that humanity needs to evolve consciously especially during this time of the mass misuse of technology and that we are all responsible and accountable in this world, it doesn't seem realistic that those who are suffering be expected to remain loving when they are being bombed, their children are maimed or killed, their homes ruined, and so on. Even Ra talked about restitution.
I have a couple of family members who either directly or had a friend who lived in a homeless family during part of childhood. One told me how their family used to wait outside of fast food places like McDonalds at 1 am or thereabouts, when the workers threw out the uneaten food from the day, and their family picked the only food they had for that day out of the garbage. This doesn't even compare to what a war-torn situation would be like for the citizens of an invaded country.
We all live in relatively cozy situations here. Referring to Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, when survival needs such as food and shelter are threatened, it is not probable a person can focus on higher-minded things. Lest I go down a rabbit hole of the geopolitical, profiteering corporate and economic emeshments we now have, I will just say that I am not sure we can put the burden on the suffering to turn the other cheek and be above it all while suffering. We can hope that people evolve enough to recognize the underlying imbalances enough to see that no one blame can be placed on a particular side, but there is till the block wall to scale erected by all those in power.
I personally would not want to see this scaling of the power wall, so to speak, be that the average person suffer more while rejecting the control. I would rather that enough people become aware and form communities and groups and unite as a whole to say, enough. And because of uniting, and the evidence we have of the largely ineffectual revolutions of the past, reform our societies peacefully, demanding restitution where applicable (such as either making worthless or redistributing ill-gotten funds from corrupt politicians etc.).
@ Patrick—this was not a criticism of what you said, because I am pretty sure I understand you. I am just trying to make my own perspective clear.