08-22-2021, 05:56 PM
(08-22-2021, 06:06 AM)tadeus Wrote:(08-21-2021, 07:22 AM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: Let's not get confused with wording as there are dictionaries to assist with the point I made.
Number one, a "human being" is not a tribe. It is one homo sapien.
The modern world has left tribalism behind. I say the modern world and not those that are still living in the bush or on isolated islands and so forth.
Sounds like a discussion about political correctness and not about the meaning of a group complex or mind/body/spirit social complex.
(08-21-2021, 07:22 AM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: Collective Consciousness: is the set of shared beliefs, ideas, and moral attitudes which operate as a unifying force within society
Modern society is a collection of individuals. Sure, we have families but we leave these families to forge our own way while staying in touch with our families. This is far from tribalism. Tribalism stays exclusively within the tribe and is loyal to only that particular tribe.
Yes - maybe Collective Consciousness is a more neutral term.
But then you have simply replaced all this words with a modified meaning, that should describe only different groups / collocation of individuals, with the word collective.
This leads to the question why the meaning of words like tribalism or tribe has been demonized?
In my eyes there is only the reason to suppress this natural coherence of individuals and replace it with a government friendly collective like states and districts.
Why - because this natural coherence is very strong, specially in clans / families. But for the unintential slavery you need separated individuals.
The post before should only focus on the understanding, that each individual is at the same time part of different groups / complexes that represents a different mind.
Well, if I had more time to invest in this I would. But, untimately, this must discerned I feel within the individual. I know our language fails us every time, right? But you need to view the true meaning of tribes and clans. And considering whether there is the element of warring factions within these terms and also within society.
According to me and my personal understanding I see that many tribesman have fought others and have warred over the millenia. They move in tandum with one another and not that any of this is wrong or bad but it is the old way. We are to be third density which means self realized or individualized self and leave the so called tribe. This can be demonstrated when we leave home. This does not mean we do not go on to create families of our own but even when we do, our children leave us to go find themselves within the world. So possibly there could be something that is so closely related it could be seen as a nuance. Or it may be seen as a semantic. This is why I say for each to consider the likenesses and differences of these ideas while exploring what it means to be self-realized and individuated. I think social memory complexes for the "most" part come later in our development not that there are not some here already but as a whole ppl. We are to first realize the self and then as it relates to others. I think this is how the material reads. Anyway, this is my best. I have to prepare for a trip. Thanks Tadeus. It is always great to exchange with you.