08-03-2021, 11:59 AM
(08-03-2021, 11:43 AM)jafar Wrote:(08-03-2021, 11:36 AM)Anders Wrote: @jafar I couldn't find if Ra claims that the soul is destructible or indestructible. My model is of reality as an expanding web of relations. And a soul to me is an indestructible and changeless point in that web. Yet a soul is still "born" in a sense since each soul exists as a unique point within the web, some (older) souls closer to the beginning of the web and other (younger) souls further along in the expanding web. A soul can never die in my view since the expansion of the web is endless.
That's why one need to define exactly what 'soul' is.
I define soul as layers of 'virtual sheathing', maya kosha.
A wrapper for consciousness inside.
Just like each layer of the russian doll act as a sheathing / border between the air inside the doll, the air outside the doll and the air inside another russian doll.
Consciousness is indestructible, since it has no beginning in the first place, thus it shall have no end.
The metaphor for consciousness will be the air inside the russian doll, once the last layer of the doll is destroyed there is no way to define the 'air inside the doll' and 'the air outside the doll', the air will be liberated from the confinement of the doll and rejoin the all-ever-infinite borderless air. Back to the state when there was no doll.
I found this answer on Quora which supports your view more than mine. What I call soul is more like Atman, although I don't know if Atman can be "born" as I described the soul. Maybe I should just call it the individual self! Then there is less risk of redefining terms.
Quote:"The soul is a Biblical concept. The first reference is in Genesis 2.7, which I understand as God made human body from the dust and breathed life into it. That made the person a living soul. Most people say that therefore, the soul is the living body.
The biblical soul can be killed. “And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” (Matthew 10.28). “Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.” (Ezekiel 18.4)
In contrast, those who accept Jesus, their souls continue to live an eternal life after their physical death. I am not such good a student of the Bible that could give you a single verse (which probably does exist) that says this explicitly, but I have heard many pastors say this.
Atman is not the Soul. Unfortunately, many commentators have mistakenly translated the Atman as the soul. This has created a huge problem. I do not understand their fascination with Biblical words. To be honest, I have no real interest in the Bible. So, what is the Atman?
Atman is the indwelling spirit (also called the embodied one), which cannnot be killed. Shri Krishna said in the Bhagavad Gita
नैनं छिन्दन्ति शस्त्राणि नैनं दहति पावक: |
न चैनं क्लेदयन्त्यापो न शोषयति मारुत: || 2.23
देही नित्यमवध्योऽयं देहे सर्वस्य भारत |
तस्मात्सर्वाणि भूतानि न त्वं शोचितुमर्हसि || 2.30
It cannot be cut with weapons, cannot be burned in the fire, cannot be soaked in water, or cannot be dried with the wind. O Arjuna, the embodied one is unkillable and eternal, and is present in the bodies of all beings. Therefore, do not grieve for the death of all these beings." - What is the difference between Atma and Soul