07-05-2021, 01:55 PM
(07-05-2021, 10:36 AM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote: Ok then I will not speak about the other densities, no problem. I think you could consider one point that I feel we both have overlooked and this is the Astral plane. Sorry to hit you up with yet another plane of existence. But, that old occult axiom, "As above, so below; So below" , as above I feel applies to your investigation.
In the Astral planes I think there is an equal matching for the 3rd density physical plane. But of course this is seen on a metaphysical level belonging to "time/space". (?) did that help? I am not sure if I am helping or hurting here. Please forgive me if I am not answering your thoughts and questions appropriately. Thank you Cheik
Hey Ohr Ein Sof. You absolutely do not hurt me. Like you, I am a seeker, and therefore, I seek, I fall, I stand up, etc ...! It is normal to discuss, to debate, and when one discusses, it happens very often to disagree, and fortunately besides, all the more since the matter of Ra is extremely complex.
Having said that, you now come to the very classic "astral plane" of esotericism, with all the speculations of spiritual schools about it. Ra expressed on this subject that the notions used by the traditional esoteric schools concerning the different planes and bodies differ from one teaching to another, and that this ends up confusing us completely - which have been for a long time my case; despite my many attempts to synthesize the various teachings, I have never arrived at a clear and coherent overall notion.
Ra thus responds to a question from Don:
47.8 : "Q In our esoteric literature numerous bodies are listed. I have here a list of the physical body, the etheric, the emotional, the astral, and the mental. Can you tell me if this listing is the proper number, and can you tell me the uses and purposes and effects, etc., of each of these, or any other bodies that may be in our mind/body/spirit complex?
I am Ra. To answer your query fully would be the work of many sessions such as this one, for the interrelationships of the various bodies, and each body’s effects in various situations, is an enormous study. However, we shall begin by referring your minds back to the spectrum of true colors and the usage of this understanding in grasping the various densities of your octave [...] However, we are aware that you wish to correspond these bodies mentioned with the color rays. This will be confusing, for various teachers have offered their teach/learning understanding in various terms. Thus one may name a subtle body one thing and another find a different name."
47.8 further : "The green-ray body is that body which may be seen in séance when what you call ectoplasm is furnished. This is a lighter body packed more densely with life. You may call this the astral body following some other teachings. Others have called this same body the etheric body. However, this is not correct in the sense that the etheric body is that body of gateway wherein intelligent energy is able to mold the mind/body/spirit complex."
By comparing these words with everything that is said about the mind/body/spirit (MBS), we thus understand that this "green-ray body" - the famous ectoplasm of the "spiritualist" sessions (in french, we speak about "spirit" sessions, but this word don't have english translation) of the XIXth century - is "only one of" the bodies used by the MBS which is embodied in space-time. Even if this body seems very important for our future of 4th density (green-ray density), "it is very important not to confuse him" with the time-space MBS, which would mainly use the indigo ray body:
47.8 further : "The indigo-ray body, which we choose to call the etheric body, is, as we have said, the gateway body. In this body form is substance, and you may only see this body as that of light as it may mold itself as it desires.
And so (also in 47.8) : "There are many, many types of bodies in each density, much like your own".
Our problem, and this is valid for all Western spiritual schools, and for the most part Eastern ones, has been since the 19th century to seek to "mentally freeze" (our rational mind loves to freeze things) a definitive image of all our bodies, and all the subtle planes. What ended up freezing our mind as well as all these teachings, based on hierarchical structures which always result in a form of "spiritual domination" of some peoples over others.
This is why, in my opinion, we must "completely" abandon these traditional notions, do the housework, clean our mental house, and start again (almost) from zero, by restructuring the whole by the logic, absolutely coherent from A to Z (even if they are holes!!), of the Law of One.
And now :
