(06-17-2021, 10:39 PM)schubert Wrote:(06-17-2021, 02:36 PM)Dtris Wrote: The situation is a bit more complicated than statistics alone can show. You certainly can not ethically and sustainably raise as many animals or plants as you can when you use factory methods. Also animals can often be grazed on land that is unsuitable for plant farming. The US would be fine using organic/non-factory methods and be able to produce enough food, but some countries rely on factory methods to feed everyone.
77 Billion land animals is only 11 animals per person on the planet, that is pretty low really.
there is 0 requirement for factory farming animals. animals were never and are never meant to be treated like objects in a factory. that is so disgusting and anti-life. you can not just treat autonomous life as objects to be manufactured. never an excuse. it's an unnatural, detestably evil practice designed to produce terror and suffering. it's a dark ritual on par with adrenochrome harvesting. yes literally a mass dark ritual, i'm not just throwing that term out there.
77 billion is not low, it's an abomination and this is a scar in human history that people will look back at the way we look back at things like the holocaust.
as if humans aren't smart enough to develop ways feed ourselves without factory farming animals. developing countries had an abundance of food before the industrial revolution and colonization screwed them over. - https://www.worldanimalfoundation.com/ad...use-hunger
i don't have time to do a bunch of research but a quick search says the opposite of what you claim. "This increase in factory farming is creating huge problems. In Bangladesh, for example, which is one of the world's poorest countries, battery hen systems have become widespread. The country has massive shortages of food, many unemployed people and very little money to spare. Factory farming needs money for equipment, creates hardly any jobs and uses up much valuable plant food that could be fed to people." - https://www.worldanimalfoundation.com/ad...use-hunger
this article is also very informative with lots of sources: https://www.ciwf.org.uk/factory-farming/...d-poverty/
I never made any claims about morality. My statement may be worded a bit confusingly. Ethically and sustainably raising animals and plants is one way of farming, factory farming is another. I did not intend to imply that factory farming is the same as raising food in an ethical or sustainable manner.
77 billion is low when there are 7 billion people. Especially if this includes animals like Quail, Duck, Chickens, and other small animals which are eaten.
Factory farming methods extend to plant production too. Rice cannot be produced on the scale needed to feed billions in two geographic regions each the same size or smaller than the US without using factory methods. The population pre industrial revolution was around 1 billion people worldwide and most people were farmers, it cannot be compared to modern food needs.