05-26-2021, 06:49 AM
I'll re-post one small but very basic thing, also on the topic of comparing Ra and C's:
This also ties into the longer philosophical tangent above.
Here's another little thing. The Ra material maintained a basically symmetric, recursive concept framework, densities and subdensities, and rays alongside these, even at the cost of some lack of clarity from using a bare schematic structure in a very extended and generalized way to literally encompass all, without mentioning or resolving the logical clashes produced (e.g. 8D Guardians as individual beings is paradoxical).
The Cassiopaeans instead stripped it down to just 7 densities, and then, well, they introduce various little concepts, and add more and more little things each used to specific purposes. But unlike Ra, who asks Don to look for errors, and then acknowledges errors, issues corrections, and thanks Don for caring about quality, the Cassiopaeans instead always explain away seeming errors by introducing more ad-hoc ideas which complicate the teaching.
8D in Ra's teaching cannot be closer to any individual being or thing inside of the creation, logically, because 7D leads to unity and the erasing of all difference. Past unity, all is related to that unity, arises from that unity, and the reaching back of all which has arisen above 7D to the creation below 7D would, in the linear scale, reach back through unity, erasing all difference with the formless role of 7D influence. How can anything individual reach back from 8D+, and even less reach back through something individual existing at the other, below-7D, end?
Structure seems to emerge from 7D (or each multiple-of-7-D, including 0) in both directions -- upwards and downwards -- and to likewise disappear both ways when 7D is approached. A cycling seems to be described where differentiation grows to infinity and shrinks back to nothing. Here's a simple image which captures it neatly, by bending the line of progression.
Imagine a circle where the edge is 1D and the center is 7D. From edge to center, a curved line moves inwards, then crosses the center and exits it again for a different part of the edge, then turns as it comes close to the edge. This repeats, endlessly. A spiraling motion. Tracing out endless shapes looking like flower petals at an infinite number of positions.
You could make something coherent out of ideas of "Guardians from other octaves", and other interaction across octaves, by making the structure of what unfolds through density-progression more than one-dimensional. All differences disappear with 7D, so interactions between different creations, which Ra claim to be possible while these other creations are however said to be beyond 6D knowledge in this creation, would need to rely on movement which skips 7D or its multiples and instead connects portions of two octaves across areas of each at least somewhat closer to their middles.
(12-16-2020, 10:54 AM)Great Central Sun Wrote: Ra says that fourth density is a denser illusion. But everyone I talk to says that fourth density is less dense than 3D.
I had a channeling from a Sassani that said 4D is less dense than 3D.
How come Ra says it is more dense?
29.20 Questioner: Thank you. Then when our planet Earth here gets fully into fourth density, will there be a greater gravity?
Ra: I am Ra. There will be a greater spiritual gravity thus causing a denser illusion.
(02-11-2021, 03:32 PM)Asolsutsesvyl Wrote:(02-10-2021, 12:57 PM)zedro Wrote: The problem here is you have to define what 'density' means in the chosen context. Obviously using the dimensions of mass over volume is not useful in this respect. So what are we defining? Information? Consciencnous? Experience?
That's exactly the problem. The word density is used alone, instead of making clear what kind of "density of ..." is meant. [...]
While I criticize the Cassiopaean material in various contexts, on this topic I actually think it is an advance in clarity.
In the Cassiopaean cosmology, density refers to density of consciousness, which is inverse to density of materiality. Materiality is the result when consciousness "sleeps", in a particular sense. When consciousness is fully awaken, it is also fully undivided, and 7D is reached.
But what would provide a more vs. less dense "illusion" or experience, as Ra sometimes talks about? Less consciousness, i.e. a lower density of consciousness, on the one hand veils more, and makes more of the cosmos a matter of the external environment to which the being is subjected - but on the other hand it also limits the qualities of experience.
3D is described as particularly intense in how an individual being experiences things. Maybe above 3D, raw intensity of experience lessens, while more information instead becomes reflected in the experience, a higher information density then represented in the awareness, which translates into a qualitatively greater illusion. That could be how 4D provides a denser illusion, as Ra claimed.
This also ties into the longer philosophical tangent above.
Here's another little thing. The Ra material maintained a basically symmetric, recursive concept framework, densities and subdensities, and rays alongside these, even at the cost of some lack of clarity from using a bare schematic structure in a very extended and generalized way to literally encompass all, without mentioning or resolving the logical clashes produced (e.g. 8D Guardians as individual beings is paradoxical).
The Cassiopaeans instead stripped it down to just 7 densities, and then, well, they introduce various little concepts, and add more and more little things each used to specific purposes. But unlike Ra, who asks Don to look for errors, and then acknowledges errors, issues corrections, and thanks Don for caring about quality, the Cassiopaeans instead always explain away seeming errors by introducing more ad-hoc ideas which complicate the teaching.
8D in Ra's teaching cannot be closer to any individual being or thing inside of the creation, logically, because 7D leads to unity and the erasing of all difference. Past unity, all is related to that unity, arises from that unity, and the reaching back of all which has arisen above 7D to the creation below 7D would, in the linear scale, reach back through unity, erasing all difference with the formless role of 7D influence. How can anything individual reach back from 8D+, and even less reach back through something individual existing at the other, below-7D, end?
Structure seems to emerge from 7D (or each multiple-of-7-D, including 0) in both directions -- upwards and downwards -- and to likewise disappear both ways when 7D is approached. A cycling seems to be described where differentiation grows to infinity and shrinks back to nothing. Here's a simple image which captures it neatly, by bending the line of progression.
Imagine a circle where the edge is 1D and the center is 7D. From edge to center, a curved line moves inwards, then crosses the center and exits it again for a different part of the edge, then turns as it comes close to the edge. This repeats, endlessly. A spiraling motion. Tracing out endless shapes looking like flower petals at an infinite number of positions.
You could make something coherent out of ideas of "Guardians from other octaves", and other interaction across octaves, by making the structure of what unfolds through density-progression more than one-dimensional. All differences disappear with 7D, so interactions between different creations, which Ra claim to be possible while these other creations are however said to be beyond 6D knowledge in this creation, would need to rely on movement which skips 7D or its multiples and instead connects portions of two octaves across areas of each at least somewhat closer to their middles.