05-17-2021, 07:02 AM
(05-13-2021, 03:31 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote:(05-09-2021, 10:08 AM)Louisabell Wrote:Why do you think or feel there are limitations that express love? I am curious is all...perhaps for a deeper explanation? Idk. It seems far reaching as one can find love even in limitation because it has been done many times before. This can be seen when we are able to apply higher ideals to the limitations of Saturn but not without loads of inner work. So, if you will, give a deeper explanation?(05-09-2021, 09:44 AM)Dtris Wrote: Any change which is primarily motivated by genuine love for others will eventually lead to a better world.
I so agree. I think there is space for both the acceptance and love of the world as it is, and the pursuit of ideals in hopes they manifest more and more.
(05-09-2021, 09:44 AM)Dtris Wrote: I believe freedom is one of the highest manifestations of love. There is supposed to be a saying, if you like a flower you pick it and take it home, if you love a flower, you leave it. Changes which increase freedom of the individual will be the most beneficial in the long run.
Individual freedom is a very high ideal for me as well. However how do the other ideals of commitment, duty and protection sit within this picture? Aren't there cases where love is also expressed by the limitations that we put on our individual freedoms?
I also am a lover of freedom as this is one expression of love according to my own understanding. I could not imagine losing not one of my freedoms, but if I did, I would reach within (just after my rant) to find the love and the balance to restore my faith and strength. Thank you Lbell
****I sort of see Dtris' perspective as well this is why I am asking.
Hi Ohr Ein Sof! Sorry I didn't get to this sooner, life has been a little preoccupying lately. I'm hoping you are well!
I'm afraid I don't really have anything very insightful to say on this matter. These are thoughts still in their infancy in my mind I think. I suppose it stems from the idea that while this Logos extended freewill to its M/B/S's (us) through the use of the veil, we are also still limited in many ways in this life. We are anchored to our physical bodies which must be fed regularly and housed, our communication is limited to vocal chords and gestures. Now, don't get me wrong, all I see in these limitations is the perfection of the intelligent design of the Logos, serving us in infinite capacity so that we may grow and make the choice. So I'm thinking that in this finite reality we find ourselves, there must those sweet spots to be found between the mix of freedom and limitation. However, if we are to entertain the idea that we choose to enter these incarnations when in-between lives, then in a way, it can be seen as a voluntary decision to experience these limitations. So that brings me to what Dtris was saying, about the difference between giving up freedoms voluntarily or not.
I think that it can be a great service to voluntarily give up some personal freedoms in order to commit to some form of service. Raising children comes to mind. I think there is great honor in that. So that is a virtue which has its place in a better world, I believe. It may also be a wise choice to give up some other freedoms for the sake of protecting the self and others. Of course, this has to be within reason, as there are those slippery slopes where maybe too much freedom is given up which can paradoxically put the person at greater risk for other things. So, I guess I'm just trying to say that life can be complicated! But fortunately, setting an intention to find love in the moment isn't so complicated.