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    04-24-2021, 12:28 PM
    Sacred Fool, allow me to share the harvest of my exploration of some of the questions you're posing to L/L Research. I'm offering this because I've gone much farther down the path I see you treading, and I'd like to offer some conclusions I've come to in the hopes that doing so allows others to avoid the pain of disappointed expectations, the resentment that can arise from confusing different kinds of relationship in seeking.

    I think it's wise to view L/L Research (LLR) as consisting of two concepts: (A) the yellow-ray organization, and (B) the green-ray family. At Homecoming and meditations throughout the year we see the two merge, but they will not always coincide, and though we may wish for it to be otherwise -- we may wish for ideals to obtain that we see purely and clearly in honest and sincere green-ray fashion -- we cannot expect a yellow-ray organization that deals with money, endowments, payroll, IRS filings, board meetings, etc. to always meet those needs. The organizations material actions are in their own way personal and idiosyncratic, and I have found that there is neither time nor desire on their part to accommodate everybody. I have made my peace with that after years of heartache and mourning for the ideal I imagined LLR to be.

    Additionally, I think it's useful to view yellow-ray LLR as consisting of only three entities who are the most engaged in the organization's day-to-day, yellow-ray activities. They have achieved a harmonic understanding amongst themselves of what their shared service entails as well as where the boundaries of that service lies. There is nothing set in stone about this harmony, it could be modified, but it is theirs to define and not ours to amend. I say this as somebody who has made the attempt at persuasion! Their boundaries may not reach the ideals that we feel are possible, but service to others does not allow for demanding others to conform to one's ideals. In this they are our brothers and not our leaders.

    This may result in a transformed and stepped-down understanding of the organization; it certainly has for me. But it's a much more truthful one, one that can allow for imperfection and human frailties on one's own part as well as on theirs. We are in truth brothers and there is nothing special about those three that requires either supplication or critique. Furthermore, not putting LLR on a pedestal frees one to explore the possibilities of one's own ideals instead of using LLR as an excuse for why one cannot serve as purely as one would wish. I couldn't agree more with you that more advanced group work is not only incumbent on dedicated seekers but also a frontier not nearly exhausted even by the three involved in the Ra contact -- there were very, very clearly areas of discipline and magical work not fully taken up. All that being said, we cannot expect LLR's personally chosen boundaries to facilitate this work, as neatly as that would fit in with my idealistic concept of the organization.

    In fact, it is perhaps more pure and poignant if we take up the work ourselves and organize on our own terms, with the attraction of our ideals unimpeded by the arbitrary balances reached by those involved in LLR. I say this not to impugn anybody involved in LLR, but only to say that where they draw their lines is fully their own choice, and that they clearly and expressly owe no duty in excess of what they personally feel. This is not an end of the story -- it is the firing of the starting gun! We have the platform here and elsewhere to do the work we feel drawn to, just as they do the work they feel drawn to. I encourage all seekers who see value in more organized and disciplined group work to directly message folks they feel harmony with and see this forum as a ground out of which that which you feel moved to do can blossom, not a cage that limits the amount of group work can be done.

    If anybody would like to discuss these ideas, I am always available, feel free to DM. Just as the content of the Ra contact is not the limit of the Law of One -- the real Law of One is in our seeking and experiences and learning -- LLR is not the limit of service-to-others group work. There is so much more to discover within ourselves, so much more seeking to perform, so much more wisdom to explore, so much more mystery to behold. I implore all seekers to get to work, and see LLR as friends and companions in that search, not leaders to be followed. You will feel much more peaceful, and it is in that peace we find the freedom to serve as our hearts ask.
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    We the Choir Gather and We Learn to Sing Together - by Steppingfeet - 03-16-2021, 07:14 PM
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