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"74.13 Questioner: There are many of these. The ones most obvious in our society are those used in the church rather than those used by the magical adept. What is the difference in the effect of those used, say, in the church, in our various churches, and those specifically magical incantations used by the adept?"
Yes, both are rituals, or habits/traditions repeated. Sometimes people understand what they are saying or doing, but usually not.
The level beyond that is when one does not need rituals or incantations. One of the early resurrections in the ancient scriptures was of a prophet that resurrected a boy by reviving him via overlapping his body's energy on top of the boy. Apparently this was enough when words did not suffice to activate the work. Yeshua in the apocryphal or unofficial scripture records, revived a child he had hit, with his hands, the same hand that potentially would have killed the target in a fit of range.
"The seeker becomes the adept when it has balanced with minimal adequacy the energy centers red, orange, yellow, and blue with the addition of the green for the positive, thus moving into indigo work.
The adept then begins to do less of the preliminary or outer work, having to do with function, and begins to effect the inner work which has to do with being. As the adept becomes a more and more consciously crystallized entity it gradually manifests more and more of that which it always has been since before time; that is, the One Infinite Creator."
This relates to my work in getting people to work on their inner child/shadow integration, breath work to stabilize your lower red fears and insecurities, plus other things. Generally speaking, the heart is a very very far thing off. Even just the lower 3 chakras can take a life time or at least decades from the ancient martial arts cultivations.
So things like outer work would be physical conditioning, breath work to remove external anxieties, and learning intellectually and mentally certain philosophies or concepts. Those would all mostly be weijia or external work. Neijia/Neidan, the internal work on the dantiens, involves closing the self off to the world and focusing on the self. This usually begins when a person has balanced and worked to integrate the lower 3 chakras. The 4th chakra, heart, is an invisible energy and is not easily seen in physical life. This invisible energy can only be worked with via emotions, but not the emotions of normal mankind that watches the Superbowl and argues online about which tribe is supreme. This is the emotion of a seeker that has worked to maintain and fix their own path. This is because most of humanity in the orthodox his story, did not really accept other selves as self. First it was easier for them to understand themselves, then they could understand the enemy, the foreign, and the opposition. This is exemplified in stories about sages or hermits coming down the mountain, sharing the knowledge of enlightenment. They got enlightened not because they were born this way but because they did the actual work.
To bring this full circle. How does a wanderer or adept relate to the archetypes?
The material seems a bit sparse on this matter, so I'll have to do more reading, but from my personal experience and work, the Magician/Magus/Wizard card described here https://www.patchtarot.com/blog/the-wizard , is defined in some circles as the "higher adept" or "master (of energy/fate)". But to balance the chakra themselves, would only need the seeker or Hermit archetype, the Hanged Man actually specifically. The Hanged Man is more of the ascetic/seeker, doing work on himself, by attempting to do weird things to balance himself and make his high energies open up. A wanderer would start out like anybody else, but would be more predestined or inclined more towards the hanged man path. Not always, sometimes they are just a hermit. But Jim's life example is a good example, perhaps. Don is another version.
On a side note, I think the issue with titles is because humans that do not know this via experience, have to use language and mental models to wrap their minds around it. So it is like a superhero to a child. A role model or a concrete vision of a dream. The "adept" or the wizard or something related to these archetypes, helps create a goal in mind. This goal is not very concrete unless one has personal experience, however, in balancing the chakras. And what does balancing the chakras mean? Don/Carla/Jim were not sufficiently advanced on the path, to ask the more specific questions, as they didn't need them at the time. ALthough Don may have needed more.
These issues were later investigated by researchers related more to shadow work integration. This is more Jung psychology, self help, than philosophy. An example of shadow work here, would be when the author of the megathread sparked the consensus collective to look deeply backwards at what happened, why, and what they can change about it. This does not automatically happen, reading Gary/Austin's comments at the time.
The archetype cards relating to these experiences would be the TOWER or DEATH. Both very heavy transformation energies. The old falling away. The phoenix reborn through death.
On another side note, what would be the Divine Feminine version of an adept? It might look something more like the Empress or Queen of X. A more nurturing and supporting energy. The Empress would be something like a mother archetype, giving birth to something and overseeing a line of heritage.
PS. EDIT EDIT More edits
https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=4478
Has a good resource, from this sub forum's stickies, for the resources concerning archetypes.
Yes, both are rituals, or habits/traditions repeated. Sometimes people understand what they are saying or doing, but usually not.
The level beyond that is when one does not need rituals or incantations. One of the early resurrections in the ancient scriptures was of a prophet that resurrected a boy by reviving him via overlapping his body's energy on top of the boy. Apparently this was enough when words did not suffice to activate the work. Yeshua in the apocryphal or unofficial scripture records, revived a child he had hit, with his hands, the same hand that potentially would have killed the target in a fit of range.
"The seeker becomes the adept when it has balanced with minimal adequacy the energy centers red, orange, yellow, and blue with the addition of the green for the positive, thus moving into indigo work.
The adept then begins to do less of the preliminary or outer work, having to do with function, and begins to effect the inner work which has to do with being. As the adept becomes a more and more consciously crystallized entity it gradually manifests more and more of that which it always has been since before time; that is, the One Infinite Creator."
This relates to my work in getting people to work on their inner child/shadow integration, breath work to stabilize your lower red fears and insecurities, plus other things. Generally speaking, the heart is a very very far thing off. Even just the lower 3 chakras can take a life time or at least decades from the ancient martial arts cultivations.
So things like outer work would be physical conditioning, breath work to remove external anxieties, and learning intellectually and mentally certain philosophies or concepts. Those would all mostly be weijia or external work. Neijia/Neidan, the internal work on the dantiens, involves closing the self off to the world and focusing on the self. This usually begins when a person has balanced and worked to integrate the lower 3 chakras. The 4th chakra, heart, is an invisible energy and is not easily seen in physical life. This invisible energy can only be worked with via emotions, but not the emotions of normal mankind that watches the Superbowl and argues online about which tribe is supreme. This is the emotion of a seeker that has worked to maintain and fix their own path. This is because most of humanity in the orthodox his story, did not really accept other selves as self. First it was easier for them to understand themselves, then they could understand the enemy, the foreign, and the opposition. This is exemplified in stories about sages or hermits coming down the mountain, sharing the knowledge of enlightenment. They got enlightened not because they were born this way but because they did the actual work.
To bring this full circle. How does a wanderer or adept relate to the archetypes?
The material seems a bit sparse on this matter, so I'll have to do more reading, but from my personal experience and work, the Magician/Magus/Wizard card described here https://www.patchtarot.com/blog/the-wizard , is defined in some circles as the "higher adept" or "master (of energy/fate)". But to balance the chakra themselves, would only need the seeker or Hermit archetype, the Hanged Man actually specifically. The Hanged Man is more of the ascetic/seeker, doing work on himself, by attempting to do weird things to balance himself and make his high energies open up. A wanderer would start out like anybody else, but would be more predestined or inclined more towards the hanged man path. Not always, sometimes they are just a hermit. But Jim's life example is a good example, perhaps. Don is another version.
On a side note, I think the issue with titles is because humans that do not know this via experience, have to use language and mental models to wrap their minds around it. So it is like a superhero to a child. A role model or a concrete vision of a dream. The "adept" or the wizard or something related to these archetypes, helps create a goal in mind. This goal is not very concrete unless one has personal experience, however, in balancing the chakras. And what does balancing the chakras mean? Don/Carla/Jim were not sufficiently advanced on the path, to ask the more specific questions, as they didn't need them at the time. ALthough Don may have needed more.
These issues were later investigated by researchers related more to shadow work integration. This is more Jung psychology, self help, than philosophy. An example of shadow work here, would be when the author of the megathread sparked the consensus collective to look deeply backwards at what happened, why, and what they can change about it. This does not automatically happen, reading Gary/Austin's comments at the time.
The archetype cards relating to these experiences would be the TOWER or DEATH. Both very heavy transformation energies. The old falling away. The phoenix reborn through death.
On another side note, what would be the Divine Feminine version of an adept? It might look something more like the Empress or Queen of X. A more nurturing and supporting energy. The Empress would be something like a mother archetype, giving birth to something and overseeing a line of heritage.
PS. EDIT EDIT More edits
https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=4478
Has a good resource, from this sub forum's stickies, for the resources concerning archetypes.