03-26-2021, 03:31 PM
(03-26-2021, 12:43 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote:(03-26-2021, 10:55 AM)Steppingfeet Wrote:I read a few of their books decades back and don't recall much of the specifics. But I would note that the Theosophists wrote books in the late 19th-early20th centuries which were the result of communication with disincarnate beings (ascended masters) and that sense they pre-figured the work of L/L Research. The term "Devachanic Plane" which Prof. Elkins uses in the Ra Material may well have entered into the lexicon via a Theospohist.(03-26-2021, 02:17 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote: But the Theosophists weren't much in to love. "There is no religion higher than truth" was one of their slogans, and they were not particularly loving to their anointed saviour, J. Krishnamurti, when he tired of the situation they put him into.
Do you know how love was situated in their philosophy? Was it simply one of any number of human emotions? Something to overcome? I know little about theosophy, but I do seem to recall Krisnhamurti being identified and groomed from a young age for the role.
Personally, I would say that their stuff could be useful to some degree but is of markedly uneven purity. I believe they lacked a good system of tuning their contacts.
According the the Theosophist website, the idea they communicated with discarnate entities is a later misunderstanding. Blavatsky and others insisted the masters were real, physical, humans, just like anyone else. They just were isolated and had been so for a very long time. Blavatsky even wrote articles which from the title appear to warn against believing channeled information easily.
When the thread was started I was about to reply but realized I was confusing Blavatsky for Dion Fortune, of which I have read the latter but never the former. I haven't had much time to look into the actual body of work of Theosophy and Blavatsky yet.
When Blavatsky first started she was using the term master in the old meaning of teacher. The same way it is used when referring to a master and apprentice. According to her own statements that is the precise relationship she had with these masters, having been chosen from a young age to be taught by them for the purpose of disseminating some of the truth.
The nature of the masters was always physical from the start, and they repeatedly warned against people treating them as angels, or gods, or ascended, or whatever. They actually have preserved letters from the masters to certain students, even some written after Blavatsky died since she is usually accused of writing them fraudulently. These letters are at a british museum. Despite this several groups were taken over by very self serving individuals who elevated the masters to godlike status and this broke apart and ruined the original societies. This included redacting and altering original works of Blavatsky and others, making additions, and writing their own new materials which contradicted the originals.
The largest modern group is a decentralized group of seekers who cooperate to preserve the original works in their original form.
One of the things which interest me the most is the origin of the masters and it relationship with certain references in the R material and L/L Research. From the earliest contact with Hatonn there was references to there being other groups in contact with the confederation. Little information is ever given due to the law of confusion. Ra also mentions that there are white magic groups who perform works like is mentioned to give love and light to the earth as a whole and to balance the negative energy generated.
In years of research into this world the magical societies which are publicly known do not fit the description of Ra. The closest things we have to those who fit that description are the practically mythical stories of Yogis, Qigong Masters, and Saint Germain. All tend to be very similar in that they refer to people who are very long lived, capable of extraordinary feats, and they come from seclusion and re-enter seclusion. Sometimes never heard from again and sometimes they reappear decades later looking the same.
My thoughts are that, if these groups Ra and others mention really exist and are doing this work, then the most likely candidates are these secluded groups. The group Blavatsky was in contact with came from the Himalayas, while they also said they were in contact with other groups even in those times. These groups may ultimately be made up of those individuals which Ra said were able to ascend early, but when STO almost always choose to stay behind and aid mankind. Even if Rare, in 75k years there should be a pretty significant number of adepts who reached that status.