03-25-2021, 10:42 AM
(03-25-2021, 02:08 AM)jafar Wrote:(03-23-2021, 06:47 PM)Minyatur Wrote: The material does say certain Logoi now move back through time to incorporate free will as a foundation of their creation. Not really sure I'd take Hidden Hand for granted that this is our case, nor do I think YHVH is our Logos and more like some random social memory complex that got to interact with our planet like many others. YHVH seem to have played a more central role than some others though in their involvement with us humans, but that still does not make them our Logos in any way.
A "Logoi" by itself is a 'finite consciousness' a 'karmic construct' with a defined border / limit, used for 'identification'.
What interest me more is the 'layer of identification', thus I highlighted the "Our Logos" statement above.
jafar is a web forum avatar, specifically a bring4th forum avatar.
In that sense bring4th forum is the 'logoi' of jafar.
The consciousness behind jafar has many web forum avatars, both in bring4th forum and also many other forums. Each web forum avatar thus has it's own respective "logoi" to be identified as "our logos".
But in collective sense, all of those web forums are "my logos" of "my many avatars".
Moving up one level, the consciousness behind jafar also has physical vessel, in a form of humanoid.
The humanoid form of jafar consciousness came from Planet Earth, thus planet earth is among the "Logoi" of "humanoid form avatar".
Then came the branches, the planet earth also has it's own respective "logoi"..
And the consciousness behind the humanoid form also has it's own respective "logoi".. and the humanoid form of planet earth is merely one among many humanoid form avatar that the consciousness behind the humanoid form has and will experienced.
Thus the process continue up the layer, until it meet the "Infinite Source".
Each "identification form" actually have many "logoi" but all of those logoi came from the one infinite source to begin with.
Well surely everything goes back to a unified source, but so long as you are within the scope of the second distortion, then there is a manyness to Logos/focus. Our Octave itself being that as a separate focus of infinity. So when discussing the concept of Logos/sub-Logoi, it make sense as a notion of differentiating in-between entities. That between our Octave and the next lies the Source does not either deny the intricateness of our Octave either in its make up and how we experience it, just that it ultimately is an illusion in all its paradoxes.
What I meant by that YHWH is not our Logos is the same as how Ra has not defined themselves as our Logos and instead described that they are part of a common Logos with us. So I'm not saying that YHWH is not Source, just that they are their own citizen of our cosmos operating from their native density. From what the material says, they are a group of entities that is part of the same confederation as Ra, this confederation being local to our galaxy and a few surrounding ones.
Taking how the material present things, we as entities all have our own distinct Higher Self. Or rather, each entity of the many entities exists as three points within the circle of the Octave. There is lower self that experiences a stream of incarnations across the densities, the higher self that only exists in 6D and is turned backward toward its lower self in true simultaneity and the 7D self totality. The only mention of these blending together is in regard to social memory complexes, where Ra says it is both true that each entity has its own distinct higher self/self totality and that for a social memory complex (usually formed in 4D+) there is also a union of each individual's higher self/self totality as a unified resource that is greater than the sum of its parts. This I believe, being extremely dynamic to the make up of the social memory complex at any given moment.
So while it is well to recognize the inherent Oneness found in all things, it is not either always useful to navigate our reality either. To evolve throughout the densities, you need to do so as the creature of our Octave that you are and which is your own focus.
(03-25-2021, 07:07 AM)Ymarsakar Wrote: Why does iamraw say jesus is lord? Why does the Ra smc need to ask the c of 9 for permission when yh shin vh did not need permission and could bypass free will of mars plus intervene?
Ra never said that jesus is lord. They said jesus was an harvestable 4D entity that could have harvested into 5D but instead asked permission to perform a mission in wandering back into 3D.
Nor does the material say Yahweh bypassed the council, on the contrary it seems to say that they were sent here by the confederation and were responsible for certain things, which they mostly failed at in their desired intent.