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    02-11-2011, 10:01 PM
    What about negative harvests?

    Let's assume that without wanderers it's essentially impossible for positive harvests to occur.

    Why not negative harvests though? It seems that earth experience teaches people to be negative. Protect yourself, only give when it's likely to benefit you, etc.

    If wanderers had not stepped in and offered technology, the negative would not have had the ability to destroy themselves. They would have just engaged in lots and lots of warfare and all the souls would learn to negatively polarize.

    Instead, we are born into this Earth where all social systems are set up to reward negative behaviour and even with an assumption of negative behaviour. Then we are bombarded with messages about positivity by entities such as Ra and Jesus. What if these entities just left the earth alone? An eye for an eye would occur but the whole world would not be left blind. Eventually some equilibrium would be achieved where power balances out power, not unlike the mutually assured destruction scenario between the USSR and the USA.

    Heavy veil and heavy free will seems like a recipe to produce a few saints and a lot of negative graduates. Maybe the earth is really meant to be a massively negative harvest and all the positive entities interfering are just reducing the harvest.

    I mean Christianity has been vigorously brainwashing people to love their neighbours for a long time now. What has this achieved? Mainly, it has enabled negative folks to enslave.

    The Christians go about loving their neighbour with faith while the cynical negatives laugh and enslave them and feel completely justified in doing it because the Christians are so stupid.

    If someone comes to me in real life and asks for my advice, I never tell them to love their neighbour because that will probably result in them being exploited. I try to love my neighbour as far as my life goes, but first I teach others to defend themselves. Most people on earth have issues with self-defense. The good people, the noble and honest ones, are abused again and again and then taught to just turn the other cheek which, again and again, encourages the offenders.

    If you want to talk about a lack of wisdom, the lack of wisdom is teaching people pacifism. Teaching people not to defend themselves.

    This heavy veil would not cause nearly as much suffering if people were not being brainwashed into turning the other cheek. If people recognized their self worth and started sticking up for themselves the negatives would become a non-issue in about two seconds.

    Instead, our supposedly altruistic institutions based on positive beings like Jesus are used as the very tools of enslavement. Negative adepts like it when people are taught positive polarity because it just creates hordes of easily manipulated sheep.

    If the issue is that all these souls are stuck in 3D, why do higher beings insist on giving positive advice? Why not just let them polarize negatively and escape 3D?

    It apparently takes like 100 million wanderers just to increase the positive harvest by some tiny amount. What if those wanderers taught negative polarity instead of positive? Our current Luciferian social structure (e.g. the economic system) is based on the assumption that the members are negative polarity. What if we worked with this instead of against it?

    As a wealthy human in the first world, when I look at the suffering humans throughout the earth, I don't see their solution as being any form of positive philosophy or positive polarity. I see their solution as being:

    1. Feeling of self-worth and willingness to prioritize self-interest
    2. Willingness and ability to defend themselves
    3. Demand, not request, to be treated appropriately by others, at threat of violence.

    These things lift people out of poverty and suffering. What positive polarity philosophy teaches these things?

    I see Luciferians teaching these concepts but they are not emphasized by Ra or Jesus or Buddha. Quite the opposite.

    So far in the history of the earth, positive philosophy is mainly used as a weapon to enslave. Slaves don't polarize. But negative adepts, fighting with other negative adepts, do polarize.

    It just occurred to me that while I believe in positive philosophy for myself, I don't teach it to others. Rather I teach almost everyone else a negative philosophy precisely because I believe it will be of the most use to them and lead them out of suffering and out of their downward spirals and cycles of malaise.

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    2006.01.01 'Failure' of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 05-30-2010, 04:09 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Turtle - 05-30-2010, 04:41 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 05-30-2010, 04:52 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by βαθμιαίος - 07-17-2010, 05:34 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 07-17-2010, 09:43 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by βαθμιαίος - 07-17-2010, 11:16 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 07-18-2010, 08:41 AM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by βαθμιαίος - 07-18-2010, 11:29 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Confused - 02-11-2011, 11:37 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 02-12-2011, 04:52 AM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Confused - 02-12-2011, 06:32 AM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Turtle - 05-30-2010, 05:07 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 05-30-2010, 05:17 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by David Junior - 09-20-2011, 02:24 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Turtle - 05-30-2010, 05:36 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 05-30-2010, 05:43 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Turtle - 05-30-2010, 05:49 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 05-30-2010, 06:08 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Turtle - 05-30-2010, 06:35 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 05-30-2010, 06:43 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Turtle - 05-30-2010, 06:59 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Cyclops - 05-30-2010, 06:59 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Observer - 12-08-2011, 06:23 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Turtle - 05-30-2010, 07:18 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 05-30-2010, 07:23 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Cyclops - 05-30-2010, 10:05 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Peregrinus - 05-31-2010, 12:38 AM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 05-31-2010, 06:56 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Confused - 02-26-2011, 03:01 AM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Tenet Nosce - 09-10-2011, 04:19 AM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Tenet Nosce - 09-10-2011, 10:03 PM
    RE: 2006.01.01 'Failure' of the plan that this logos chose - by Tenet Nosce - 09-14-2011, 12:57 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Turtle - 05-31-2010, 04:43 AM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by peelstreetguy - 05-31-2010, 11:11 AM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Turtle - 05-31-2010, 01:27 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 05-31-2010, 08:02 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Turtle - 05-31-2010, 10:49 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 06-01-2010, 07:16 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by LsavedSmeD - 06-01-2010, 10:43 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 06-02-2010, 12:33 AM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Richard - 06-02-2010, 05:35 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 06-02-2010, 05:50 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Turtle - 06-02-2010, 06:20 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Richard - 06-01-2010, 06:10 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Turtle - 06-01-2010, 08:52 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 06-01-2010, 09:55 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Turtle - 06-02-2010, 01:55 AM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by LsavedSmeD - 06-02-2010, 02:30 AM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 06-02-2010, 03:44 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by thefool - 06-01-2010, 10:19 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Turtle - 06-02-2010, 05:13 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Richard - 06-03-2010, 03:30 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 06-03-2010, 04:31 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Ali Quadir - 06-04-2010, 06:21 AM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by LsavedSmeD - 06-04-2010, 10:40 AM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 06-04-2010, 11:23 AM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Ali Quadir - 06-04-2010, 12:45 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 06-04-2010, 12:57 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Ali Quadir - 06-04-2010, 06:26 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Monica - 06-05-2010, 01:59 AM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Monica - 06-04-2010, 11:54 AM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 06-04-2010, 12:31 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Richard - 06-03-2010, 06:07 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 06-03-2010, 06:30 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by LsavedSmeD - 06-05-2010, 12:18 AM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 06-05-2010, 12:30 AM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Richard - 06-04-2010, 09:48 AM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 06-04-2010, 09:55 AM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Ali Quadir - 06-04-2010, 11:18 AM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 06-04-2010, 08:27 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by crystl37 - 06-04-2010, 10:17 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 06-04-2010, 10:22 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Ali Quadir - 06-05-2010, 11:34 AM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Monica - 06-05-2010, 12:07 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Ali Quadir - 06-05-2010, 07:12 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 06-06-2010, 03:04 AM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Monica - 06-07-2010, 11:41 AM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 06-07-2010, 12:39 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Monica - 06-07-2010, 06:14 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by crystl37 - 06-05-2010, 07:53 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Ali Quadir - 06-05-2010, 11:26 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by crystl37 - 06-06-2010, 07:06 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 06-06-2010, 08:23 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Cyclops - 06-06-2010, 11:58 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by xlsander - 06-07-2010, 05:25 AM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 06-08-2010, 12:09 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by Ali Quadir - 06-07-2010, 01:28 PM
    RE: Failure of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 06-07-2010, 03:30 PM
    RE: 2006.01.01 'Failure' of the plan that this logos chose - by Ali Quadir - 06-08-2010, 03:29 AM
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    RE: 2006.01.01 'Failure' of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 06-08-2010, 03:30 PM
    RE: 2006.01.01 'Failure' of the plan that this logos chose - by Ali Quadir - 06-09-2010, 05:34 AM
    RE: 2006.01.01 'Failure' of the plan that this logos chose - by Monica - 06-09-2010, 11:03 AM
    RE: 2006.01.01 'Failure' of the plan that this logos chose - by Monica - 06-08-2010, 09:54 PM
    RE: 2006.01.01 'Failure' of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 06-08-2010, 08:51 PM
    RE: 2006.01.01 'Failure' of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 06-09-2010, 10:46 AM
    RE: 2006.01.01 'Failure' of the plan that this logos chose - by Ali Quadir - 06-09-2010, 11:33 AM
    RE: 2006.01.01 'Failure' of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 06-09-2010, 12:12 PM
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    RE: 2006.01.01 'Failure' of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 06-09-2010, 11:06 AM
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    RE: 2006.01.01 'Failure' of the plan that this logos chose - by unity100 - 06-09-2010, 01:22 PM
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