02-12-2021, 11:48 AM
(This post was last modified: 02-12-2021, 12:06 PM by Asolsutsesvyl.
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To clarify after my previous post, I don't claim to have any complete big synthesis, and have only presented smaller fragments of somewhat larger fragments I've otherwise kept to myself. (I used the word "synthesis" in two ways in the previous post, referring to two distinctly different scales of bringing things together. The final paragraph survived the trimming away of my frustration with the common lack of, well, anything more than short-lived bursts of discussion which further the aim of anything more definite in quality, especially anything bigger.)
There's also Gurdjieff's rather different take. He claimed that many don't have a real astral body, and distinguished between the stuff of astral existence swirling around like a vague cloud around a person and a person having a real living astral being in its own right made of such "stuff". It's one of the most controversial aspects of Gurdjieff's teaching. (Edit: Also controversial is the way in which this is commonly related to 3D "beginners" vs. those who're working on the second half of 3D development. As in, pre-adamics vs. adamics, or "organic portals" vs. individually souled.)
A possible alternative angle is that a fully developed being of a type which marks completed 3D development usually precede moving on to then strive to develop something more solid and definite of the next type of existence, 4D, as a result of life and experience with that. (Edit: May not apply to wanderers.)
But I don't know enough about the lunar/solar "bodies" and whether or not they may map cleanly to the Fourth Way "no real body, hence aligned with the moon" vs. "something which has fully transcended the limits of physical life". More dangling questions are connected to that in relation to Ra's cosmology, too.
(Edit: The above is too sketchy in relation to Fourth Way concepts. The development of a mental body would be the main thing associated, in that framework, with developing 4D capabilities.)
Maybe that's the same as simply being conscious and able enough to know what to do next or where else to go in taking a step away from the old?
But how does growth of consciousness relate to the development of more fine subtle bodies? The Gurdjieffian answer would be that the qualities of consciousness depends on the quality of the instrument it uses, thus better subtle bodies enable a qualitatively better consciousness (in a way only faintly or not at all reflected at the level of waking physical life).
(Edit: A further part of Fourth Way theory concerns connections between subtle bodies, and the developing of a harmonious functioning as a whole. While details are presented in a different schematic framework, it seems to map to the pattern of working with lower rays and through them into activation of higher rays in Ra's presentation, repeating once per density and higher body.)
(02-12-2021, 08:39 AM)Infinite Wrote: In certain esoteric traditions it's said that for ascension it's necessary that man build a body called "solar astral body". I suppose that is the fourth density body. The term "solar" refers to the fact that the astral body that every 3D entity naturally has is classified as "lunar". It's an inferior body, which cannot be expressed in the superior astral plane.
There's also Gurdjieff's rather different take. He claimed that many don't have a real astral body, and distinguished between the stuff of astral existence swirling around like a vague cloud around a person and a person having a real living astral being in its own right made of such "stuff". It's one of the most controversial aspects of Gurdjieff's teaching. (Edit: Also controversial is the way in which this is commonly related to 3D "beginners" vs. those who're working on the second half of 3D development. As in, pre-adamics vs. adamics, or "organic portals" vs. individually souled.)
A possible alternative angle is that a fully developed being of a type which marks completed 3D development usually precede moving on to then strive to develop something more solid and definite of the next type of existence, 4D, as a result of life and experience with that. (Edit: May not apply to wanderers.)
But I don't know enough about the lunar/solar "bodies" and whether or not they may map cleanly to the Fourth Way "no real body, hence aligned with the moon" vs. "something which has fully transcended the limits of physical life". More dangling questions are connected to that in relation to Ra's cosmology, too.
(Edit: The above is too sketchy in relation to Fourth Way concepts. The development of a mental body would be the main thing associated, in that framework, with developing 4D capabilities.)
(02-12-2021, 08:39 AM)Infinite Wrote: This Harvest can occur in two ways: entities that reach the eighth level of the third density, which is the level of intelligent infinity, are able to harvest themselves, whether they are STO or STS entities. We can call this "self-harvesting".
Maybe that's the same as simply being conscious and able enough to know what to do next or where else to go in taking a step away from the old?
But how does growth of consciousness relate to the development of more fine subtle bodies? The Gurdjieffian answer would be that the qualities of consciousness depends on the quality of the instrument it uses, thus better subtle bodies enable a qualitatively better consciousness (in a way only faintly or not at all reflected at the level of waking physical life).
(Edit: A further part of Fourth Way theory concerns connections between subtle bodies, and the developing of a harmonious functioning as a whole. While details are presented in a different schematic framework, it seems to map to the pattern of working with lower rays and through them into activation of higher rays in Ra's presentation, repeating once per density and higher body.)