12-20-2020, 09:00 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-20-2020, 09:05 AM by throwawaynegative132.)
(12-20-2020, 03:29 AM)Louisabell Wrote:5 is delusional. The rest simply proves the original posters view. STO path is for losers.Living by those guidelines one will do nothing but suffer in this world.(12-20-2020, 12:20 AM)jafar Wrote:(12-18-2020, 01:30 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote: What is actually won by the winners? What are we fighting for, exactly? Please remind me.
The 'winning' (thus it's opposite implication 'losing') is an STS thought framework.
Winning = gaining superiority, gaining dominance over the losers, enslaving the losers.
Quote:Below is one view of this. If you make it to the end of the excerpt, you'll see that the path forward for some is the way of the heart. Why would that be, I wonder?
Thank you for pointing the citation from Hatton, it correlate well and very similar with the Zen story..
Let me repeat the zen story:
Quote:There's a Zen story about a warlord who attack and raid a village, once he and his band arrived at the village he found that the village is already empty, all the populace has run away for safety. He and his band can then easily loot anything that they wishes from the village.
Until one of his man report back about a presence of a monk within the temple, who did not run away and sit still in meditation posture.
Enraged, the warlord come to the temple and approached the monk, draw his sword pointing it at the monk's head and said:
Warlord: You stupid monk! Why you don't run away like everybody else, don't you know who I am??? I can easily split you in half!
Monk: And don't you know who I am?? I can easily split MYSELF in half.
The probable result are the following:
1. The monk decided to fight the warlord, the monk won the battle gaining dominance over the warlord.
The monk has polarized himself one notch closer to STS path, the warlord failed to polarize further on STS path as he failed to gain dominance.
If the monk continue this pattern, continue seeking and fighting another warlords, he will be on his 'highway to STS' and potentially polarizing much further than the warlord himself on STS path, becoming more war mongering than the warlord, although he dressed like a monk.
2. The monk decided to fight the warlord, the warlord won the battle gaining dominance over the monk. (the 'loser' scenario)
The warlord has polarized further on STS path, the monk has polarized himself one notch closer to STS path. If the monk did not accept the 'losing' event and vow for revenge, the monk will grow further in his bitterness and anger, the monk will polarize further and further to STS.
3. The monk decided to fight the warlord, but the battle ends in a draw, none of them could dominate over the other.
The warlord fail to polarize further on STS path, the monk has polarized himself one notch closer to STS path and failed to polarize further on STO path.
4. The monk decided to let the warlord split him in half without resistance and the warlord split him in half. (the 'loser' scenario)
The warlord has polarized further on STS path, the monk has polarized himself further on STO path.
So both are polarizing further on their respective path.
5. The monk decided to let the warlord split him in half without resistance, but the warlord amazed by the courage of the monk, as 'splitting myself in half' is something that the warlord is not able to do, he then decided to learn more on how the monk is able to do that.
The warlord has starting to polarize himself towards STO path.
Interesting. I interpreted that Zen story to be one centered on unity consciousness. i.e. the warlord splitting the monk in half IS the monk splitting himself in half, because we are all One. All actions are performed by and on the One. The monk (assuming he has unity consciousness) can see and understand how no external action on him is performed by anyone other than himSelf. So, for the warlord, it kind of takes away the satisfaction of there being a "battle" of "adversaries" in the first place. There is no separateness, there are no enemies, there is no ego to war against, just movements of different arms from the same One Infinite Creator. The warlord then is faced with whether he wishes to perform such violence on one of his own limbs... bah! realisation ... very zen
Quite relevant to the thread topic. How can there be winners, when there are no separate players? And what about the game ... which (or whose) game are you trying to play?
How can you all accept this crap? To let oneself be beaten is denying the self. 3D density is a battle of equals. It is anything but unity. Such views of unity is what is causing the mayhem in this world. It's not the evil people like the warlord who are the problem....it's the people who think they are doing good by doing absolutely nothing which is ironically what the STO path is mostly about. Sitting by and abiding free will instead of bringing true order into this world. Perhaps there is a kind of balance after 6th density where the entity is capable of establishing order.
I just don't see how any sane individual can deny reality so much. I understand we are talking about higher density consciousness but by letting yourself be killed you polarize the earth closer towards the negative and remove the light(you)from it. If it wasn't for the large influx of positive wanderers who btw willingly sacrifice themselved!!!!! a handful of negative wanderers could have taken over the planet with ease due to all the "good" people just watching things happen and thinking oh it's all unity nothings really bad is happening.
Coming to earth as a positive wanderer is nothing but russian roulette. This is a sacrifice. Just think about it. Both the confederation and the empire have the same power and you know what? The Empire has 90% less entities than the federation. They are at a numerical disadvantage yet they use their catalyst so efficently they are able to channel exactly the same amount of power. I understand chosing the path of love but in my eyes that is just chosing infinite heroine over getting over onself and coming clean with reality. I have yet to see someone who incorperates both aspects of the path. Someone who would fight the warlord and defeat him. Giving rise to a new order. One based on justice and freedom instead of enslavement.
I would write down the parts where Ra speaks about this but I think its obvious. There is no need to indulge in martydom. There are plenty of other paths available. The monk doesn't even have to fight. Escaping the warlord and cutting off supply routes to his army will starve his men and take his power base away. No need to even confront the enemy. The light never attacks, it defends.
I mean no offense. Just saying not to be stuck in the 4th density view. There are plenty of alien factions who are fighting for the future of humanity in fourth density. Those that are not deluded by the endless amount of love available. There is a great risk in participating in such views. I see lots of people everyday blinded by love and naivety. When opening the heart there also must be allowed for wisdom to flow in otherwise you risk your ability to hold the heart open. The negatives make great use of the positives naivety.