12-02-2020, 07:51 PM
(11-30-2020, 04:48 PM)jafar Wrote:(11-30-2020, 02:21 PM)J.W. Wrote: Very insightful and interesting post,
I enjoy these kind of discussions because it strikes at the core of STS.
The pinnacle of "separation" of oneself from other-selves lays in Sociopathic and Psychopathic behaviors.
In a way actually STS and STO is actually serving the 'self'.
What differentiate is only their definition of the 'self'.
STS see themselves as separated from others while STO see others as part of themselves.
Quote:Sociopaths has one common trait, the "lack" of introspection... not just "reflection" of their actions. They know what they did, and why they did it. But they do not "feel" the outcome of such actions. They only "know."
STO will see 'sociopath' as part of their own self.... and seek to help them as much as possible.
While STS will see 'sociopath' (or any others beside their own self) as either those who need to be beaten or eliminated.
Quote:On the far end of the other spectrum, both you and I know that there are many folks out there that Loves Joker more than Batman.
I don't think that Joker and Batman is a good example here.
STS will not love Joker, they will see Joker (and Batman) as either a figure to be beaten, manipulated or eliminated.
That's why by nature, STS will also fight with other STSes.
They're seeking to win over others, to be superior over others, to be dominating over others, including and especially other STSes.
A society of STSes will be characterized by continuing endless conflicts.
As one seek to dominate over others and become the ultimate winner.
When they're organized in a group then there will be a group leader acting as a tyrant.
And the only reason why the member obey the leader is because they fear the leader.
That's why the leader always uses fear, punishment and threat to make the member obey his will and command.
Sidenote: the threat of Hell torture might sound familiar here...
Within each member they will always look for a chance to rebel, beat the leader and become the new leader of the group. Betrayal to their own leader / master is a common occurrence.
To channel out this 'excessive fighting energy' the leader is in constant seeking of other group to have a fight with...
STSes example is much more common than we thought it is.. many of the past and current political structure are actually mimicking STS construct.
Alexander the great is a very good example, spending all his life looking for a fight.
And when he died, his generals fought each others for supremacy.
Religion extremist another good example, that's why Al-Qaeda and ISIS hate each other guts...
And also how the medieval crusaders ends up fighting each others..
Facist, Nazi, KKK and white/race supremacist another good example.
Hitler ends up fighting Stalin, and even when the Axis alliance won, Hitler will eventually ends up fighting Mussolini.
Pure STO is the extreme opposite.
When they organized in a group, the member follows the leader because they love the leader. And the leader will not think himself as a 'leader' or 'superior' compared to the members, the leader will not try to take any credit of the group's achievement and the leader will think themselves as a servant to the group. The leader will happily step down from leadership when he see there's another willing member that is better suited than he/she is to become the ultimate servant to the group.
Jesus is a good example (although his life story that we have now might actually be distorted with STS elements).
Dalai Lama is another good example, he never rally his member for a brutal war with the PRC or hate the Chinese. He did not even lobbied India to fought war with China over Tibet, the kingdom that he lost.
Siddhartha the Buddha another good example.
And using LOTR example, Frodo did not wished to become a king or ruler although he's the one who bear and destroy the ring.
Majority of the STOs will actually fell below the radar, as they're not seeking credits, fame and glory for their own selves.
From STS perspective STOs are losers, a failure.
Because STS is always in constant thinking of winning and always in fear of losing.
Quote:Higher Density entities understands this very well, and they play this extensively.Exactly, both STOs and STSs need to play their part in this 'divine game'.
But all of this is merely an illusion, in the end there's only one person in the room.
I agree with one exception, there are no pure STO or STS there is but One absolute.