11-21-2020, 12:04 AM
(11-19-2020, 11:26 PM)Steppingfeet Wrote:(11-18-2020, 02:33 PM)Dtris Wrote: I don't this passage the same. It is 25.6 for anyone who wants to read it in context. But I read that as an example of the penultimate positive response to negativity. An event which would be exceedingly rare in actual occurrence but possible nonetheless.
The next line makes it clearer,
Ra Wrote:This, however, being a battle of equals, the Confederation is aware that it cannot, on equal footing, allow itself to be manipulated in order to remain purely positive, for then though pure it would not be of any consequence, having been placed by the so-called powers of darkness under the heel, as you may say.
The user of the most accepting and loving energy would have to be at a higher level basically to be able to do this.
Dtris, can you clarify why you feel that acceptance of other selves = transformation of the other-selves is "an example of the penultimate positive response to negativity."
I was expressing confusion that the "most accepting and loving energy," as Ra says, is equated with the transformation of the other self. I've always understood that acceptance is not tied to how it's received on the other end, per se. (Though impact is a variable always to be considered.)
Jesus fully unstintingly loved and accepted those who put him up on the cross, but they weren't transformed, and he was still crucified. Was his acceptance less?
Had Jesus's identical twin brother been in the same predicament and so accepted his crucifiers that they opened their hearts and practiced forgiveness, would twin Jesus's acceptance have been more true?
Expecting our acceptance to "transform" the other self lands with me as a manner of control or manipulation. I mean, that's great if loving someone opens their heart and catalyzes their recognition of self by self, thus healing/transforming the self, but the trueness/strength/quality of our acceptance is not dependent upon the transformation or the outcome of our love of the other-self, in my understanding. Do you see otherwise?
(Also, did you mean "ultimate positive response"?)
How do you know that those who crucified Jesus were not transformed in the process? What changes happened in their hearts would not have been recorded for historians. The loving acceptance of another is not dependent on the other person receiving it in any way. However just as the negative polarity creates a gravity well, which draws all in to it, the positive illuminates and banishes all shadows. If the light radiating is strong enough, it could transform the negative entity, it may not be any more voluntary than it would have been for a positive being to be transported to negative time/space and having to become STS.
If you were running around intentionally trying to use your positive ability to transform others, that would not be very positive, and you probably would not be able to or not for long. What I think you are ascribing the transformation to is some type of interplay between the parties, one intentionally radiating love and acceptance, the other party accepting that love and desiring to be transformed, despite its previous life spent doing the opposite.
While we cannot know for certain, my view is that it would be more akin to the one who is loving and accepting, does so because that is truly what they are, for them reacting with love and acceptance would be just as involuntary as a transformation. This would have the effect of transforming the other self, as the intensity of the light would be too much for it to bear. An equally negative being on the other hand, would be able to reject the light.
This is why the statement of it being a battle of equals is important, in context it tells us that the example of loving acceptance transforming the other self, would not be among equals.
I used penultimate because it felt right. I just looked at the definition and it doesn't quite mean what I thought, but close. It means "next to last". I would imagine the ultimate positive response, would be to be so positive that no other self could even contemplate taking that kind of action in the first place.
Interestingly the "transformation" is similar to how the Buddhists are depicted in Chinese Xianxia novels with an ability to turn weak minded individuals into faithful worshippers.