08-14-2020, 01:59 AM
(08-08-2020, 04:44 PM)Diana Wrote: Yes, very true. However, there are countless posts (I will post one below) on these forums that point out the differences between plant and animal life, if it matters to anyone how much suffering is caused.
I think it can be misguided to base the quality of an entity's experience (or suffering) exclusively on a materialistic perspective. There are different experiments that, at face value, don't make much sense from that angle. For example, it is said that if you play rock music in an area where plants are growing, the plants will grow in the opposite direction. If you play classical music, the plants grow in the direction where the music is coming from.
Ra also put trees pretty much on par with pets, as far as entities capable of giving and receiving love and making a transition to third density.
(08-08-2020, 04:44 PM)Diana Wrote: Making both polarities available is for 3rd density beings only. So why cause pain to other life forms?
I agree that in general a plant-based diet entails less suffering, but I'm convinced that it still very much entails a kind of suffering of its own, although an unavoidable one. I believe plants feel far more than it is apparent to us, as indicated above.
(08-08-2020, 04:44 PM)Diana Wrote: You can, however, prune a plant and cut off leaves without killing it. You can harvest vegetables without killing the plant. Many plants "want" animals to eat them as it is their way of spreading seed and propagating.
This is true, but in the case of (for example) fruit, often times we alter them genetically so that they don't produce seeds, reproduction being arguably the sole reason why fruit evolved through natural selection to provide nourishment to other species in the first place. Even if we don't genetically alter it, through farming we are reducing or eliminating as much as possible the reproductive function of fruit, and turning it solely into an object of nourishment for us. Does the fruit care that its self-interested reason for existing has been taken away? It's hard to say, and the implications of this (if any) are for each to consider. I only wish to point out that we live in a deliberately (seemingly) imperfect illusion where perfect love is not yet possible. Therefore, there are many different paths, many interpretations as to how to get as close to that ideal of perfect love as human experience allows.
(08-08-2020, 04:44 PM)Diana Wrote: It can also be noted that plants are more akin to light, since photosynthesis is how they survive. So if one considers the ambrosia Ra speaks of, which to me is some kind of liquid light, then plants, rather than animals would be much closer to it, possibly rendering certain benefits to do with light.
Good point.