07-10-2020, 09:58 AM
(07-08-2020, 12:49 PM)TheAmbiguousSod Wrote:(07-05-2020, 07:08 PM)unity100 Wrote:(06-10-2020, 08:30 AM)Dtris Wrote: Working at a job is a voluntary agreement.
Not at all.
You have to work 'voluntarily' for this exploiter or the other exploiter. This is what the system requires.
Otherwise, if workers had enough choices, then they would not work for ever-decreasing wages.
https://www.nytimes.com/1997/02/27/busin...olicy.html
That is the work of people like Alan Greenspan, who openly advocated job scarcity in order to push workers to work for less. And you see the results today, everywhere.
I do not believe you have to do anything. Freewill is fundamental. From the age of 13, Jesus left home and put his faith in the father, he knew the father intended for him not to lack and so he knew he had total freedom. Jesus wanted no limits, those of us with lessons place limitations on ourselves in order to come to terms with and surpass those limitations.
I see nettles, dandelions and lots of other food that the creator offers us in plenty. We desire a certain lifestyle and therefore we agree to be trapped in a system. Some are slaves and I do not deny this, they may have lessons in this and may have offered themselves in service so that the creator may know the experience of capture and freedom or a variety of other experiences.
Nature in its base form is cool, but what about applied Intelligence? Wouldn't you add to the creation, wouldn't you enhance it if you're able to do so?
(07-08-2020, 12:49 PM)TheAmbiguousSod Wrote: " It is our inability to accept truth that brings pain. "
That would suffice, had not truth be such a polemic subject. Some say the "truth" prevails even if no one believes it; but then, what if someone claims a false thing to be true or a true thing to be false? How do you discern between what is true and what is not?
I disagree that pain has to do with the lack of acceptance. From my perspective, pain is the resistance to a movement, and sometimes people ought to be resistance. Wouldn't you stand up against injustice? Would you not, then your connivance would cause more pain. Would you stand against it, you would feel the pain of resisting the avalanche of the unjust, predatory establishment.
A mere simpleton acceptance per se wouldn't foment any real change; and since life is change, wouldn't you rather live?
(07-08-2020, 12:49 PM)TheAmbiguousSod Wrote: "We see suffering and want to alleviate it, this is natural, however, we have to experience pain in order to learn certain lessons and so if someone wants to suffer, it is their freewill."
We dissociate pain from suffering, and I suggest you do so as well. Dwelling in painful experiences, in the past or future (unattainable, unfeasible) events might bring suffering to the table. Over-focusing on any given part of the whole, such as a pixel of a high-res image, might promote suffering.
I'll illustrate:
Suppose your totality of being is a huge fractal image comprised of every color there is. A given experience or circumstance is a pixel within this fractal, and such pixel might have a certain predominant color, let's say red.
You then perceive the red. That is neutral per se.
Then you begin rationalizing and over-feeling the color you perceive:
"Oh my, so much red, so much blood, so much viscerality...! All I see is red, all I see is blood, the world is an endless red sea..." and so on.
From the principle of mentalism, you now create and re-create your reality from your perception, and the carousel goes on. You get imbued with reddish thoughts, emotions, and feelings, and soon enough you find yourself unable to see other hues.
It's not that the person "wants to suffer"; they're simply incapable of perceiving the self-imposed trick of the game: you get what you think about.
(07-08-2020, 12:49 PM)TheAmbiguousSod Wrote: "Pondering martyrdom, if you sacrifice yourself for someone who doesn’t want to be saved, you’re not being of service. Many have been tricked into believing they must live a certain way."
This is a common trap, and I don't only refer to extremes such as martyrdom. The rationalized excuse can have many forms: a life of "servitude", of "unconditioned compassion", of "utmost wisdom", of "honourable duty", etc. The list is endless. You suit yourself with the reasons you want most to keep your mental engine up and running.
(07-08-2020, 12:49 PM)TheAmbiguousSod Wrote: "I live in the U.K, those of Holy Island in Scotland have started their own way of life. They grow their own food organically, work the fields and cook to earn their roof and live in pursuit of enlightenment via the Buddhas teachings. There are no drugs to be taken there but apart from that there are not many rules."
I'll spark some arousal against such a seemingly enlightened pursuit: how are you supposed to transcend reality if you cut yourself off from it?
This world ain't a tiny little peaceful village. Seclusion is as detrimental to the so-called awakening as over-inclusion. How are you supposed to wake up to the realities of this world if you blind yourself to them? Such an approach reminds me of the over-cautious, reluctant person who dies in the end anyhow. Life is going to deliver its blows whether you're in the front or in the sidelines and, in the end, we're all going to die anyway, so why not make a given lifetime the best you could possibly make? It's your choice.
(07-08-2020, 12:49 PM)TheAmbiguousSod Wrote: "To put our faith in the creator to provide us with all we need allows us to be free of the fear that I am hearing being described. Many feel trapped, like drones in a hive forcing to work for a false queen, this experience has been created for them to learn, let them learn and demonstrate your understanding through your way of life and they may ask you to teach them."
The hive only lasts because it provides a shelter, a nest, protection of some kind to its drones/workers. The queen of the hive dictates the actions of the hive as a whole, serving as a kind of "brains" to the "muscles" of the workers. It's a good thing human beings are a step beyond animal life, right? Human beings can converse and make science, build upon ideas, and make the world a little better.
(07-08-2020, 12:49 PM)TheAmbiguousSod Wrote: "The value of food cannot change, it is priceless, treasure it and grow it yourself and feel the liberation from globalisation. I can not describe the respect generated for ones food when it is grown and cared for by yourself. It also discourages gluttony because you see the toll it’s taken just for a fruit to get to harvest, everything is suddenly used far more efficiently. Waste doesn’t exist because you find a use for everything."
Absolutely. The biological processing of food that your body does is sacred and should be treated as such. However, the aversion of any given reference (be it the hive-mind of capitalism, a random predator figure, a remembrance of your past) still has the reference as the pivot. Your emotional self still values the thing you run from, you still put it in high regard. Therefore, the thing you value, even if you run from it, still has some power over you.
Why not overgrow the aversion and move to a place of serenity, of everlasting samadhi? It's your choice.