06-11-2020, 03:18 PM
(06-11-2020, 12:22 PM)flofrog Wrote: This is so wise Dtris, thank you.
It takes a while to analyze to which point consequences come mainly from our choices.
I was never bitter when young, but I thought life was unfair in many ways, towards me or others, and I would get some inside anger, till one day examining deeply these anger moments, I realized they were all related deeply towards myself, and this for having made the very initial choice to be in that given situation. Of course I was not born into slavery, but I am curious as still today my very very rare anger always resolves back to the self.
So this is why I relate so well to what Dtris says. I think it is very clear and profound, thank you again,
on edit: it doesn't mean that I see life as 'fair' today, and that we shouldn't work on changes, but we all know here that life presents catalysts and this is in fact a gift.
Thank you for the kind words.
I personally find that way of thinking liberating. I think everyone believes we can be better and should make changes, we just sometimes disagree on the what and how.
(06-11-2020, 01:56 PM)Ray711 Wrote: I agree with the important points you've made on having freedom to choose, but then accepting the consequences that come our way as a result of our actions. However, I can't but wonder, at what point does that become a slippery slope? Our society operates under a lot of negatively influenced values and ideas, our system itself incites people to engage in somewhat negative behavior, and we most definitely have a profound and serious lack of insight into the importance of the ways of love.
Let's take the hypothetical case of a man who could have had a successful job but one he found no passion for, and instead chose a line of work he loves and is passionate about. However, he finds it unable to find his place in our capitalist system and becomes homeless. Did this person suffer the consequences of his own actions? Or did he suffer the consequences of the choices made by the collective consciousness over a long period of time? Consequences vary and depend so much on the time and the place, that this man's very same actions could be met in another planetary society with nothing but generosity, support and compassion from other people.
What to do, then? Suppress ourselves, fit in and comply with systems and values that we don't agree with, in order to not suffer certain negative consequences? Or be true to ourselves, despite what consequences the environment may throw at us?
I guess that in the end it all goes back to the making of choices, at every level. The individual man has a choice to make as to whether to sacrifice one thing or the other, and so does the collective, in regard to whether to remain static, or to change itself into something closer to the values of love.
There is no black and white in this case. I think part of what draws people to the Law of One is the idea of being STO or STS and the binary nature. However the real world can't be easily split up like that. Whether something is STS or STO is more about how the individual interacts with a person/object/group/situation than anything else. Just as Flo said with anger it usually revolves back to the self.
In your hypothetical case, what seems to be most important to me is not that he gets to do what he enjoys and is passionate about, but that whatever he chooses he learns lessons which help him polarize and move toward love. Many men with bold ambitions in their youth gave them up to provide for an unexpected child. Also I am sure there is very profound lessons in pursuing something despite all the negative consequences. Many great historic artists and scientists were not recognized during their incarnations.
We do not have a perfect and loving system, but perhaps moving toward that and figuring that out is part of the lessons we need to eventually learn.